New Bad Firefly Review on Amazon (really bad!)
POSTED BY: rklenseth
UPDATED: Thursday, May 13, 2004 03:37
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Please people not everyone's going to like Firefly you don't have to treat them like they're incredibly stupid believe it or not some people have different opinions. So what he couldn't spell whore right how many people here ever have a reason to spell whore outside of firefly?
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Ummm... I guess the reason for knowing how to spell a word would be for when you use it in a sentence? Sure, there are typos, folks often type while in a hurry , or when tired, etc... We need not resort to becoming Spelling Nazis, for goodness sake.
Unless it has to do w/ a anti Firefly poster on an Amazon review board. 
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Malicious:
Hardware!!
I live in Bear, DE! Hello fellow fan!
Mal-licious
Well hi there fellow first stater!
Now if we can convince the other science fiction fan in Delaware to join us browncoats it'll be unanimous!
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
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To be perfectly honest, I have to try and put the foot down on all the Trek-bashin fun over here (try). See, Star Trek was really my intro to sci-fi, and overall, I think it deserves some respect and reverance. Yes, the Original Series is rather a joke by some of today's (and yesterday's) standards; but let's remember that it started something miraculous, if not perfected it. Liking the show is kind of irrelevant, because good or bad - it set a standard, and really did go 'where no man had gone before'. While we now laugh at bumpy foreheads and space-babes, they were actual aliens with culture, personality, and intrigue (Often 1 sided intrigue). Cheese factor aside, it layed the foundation.
Next, we have the best, and worst series: the aforementioned Next Gen. There was god-aweful episodes, bad acting, and it WAS painfully 80's, but again, lets look at the positive. When Next Gen. was good, it was GREAT. Tremendous plotlines, cool alien design, and overall neat politics and alien civs. made for some really interesting episodes. While Firefly fans (myself DEFINATELY included) have a tendency to say ' ship's too clean!' 'get down and dirty' 'nothing dynamic ever happens' we have to look at the setting of the show. This isn't the relatable future, this isn't the near future, this is the FAR future; and so things are very different. WE have supposedly ascended to the point where we roam the massive universe just to 'see what we can see' so to speak. We learn, we thrive, but our days of rugers are over. Star Trek often mentions a time of violence and unrest that tore us apart, but we are supposedly past that, and the show shifts its focus from 'space as an exercise in necessity' to 'space as an excercise in majesty'. The whole show is based around the AWE and MYSTERIES awaiting us. By that time, cleaning the ship with a mop would be rather destructive to the ambience. I know the ship has an overdeveloped "comfort zone", but the two are just different shows.
(DS9 was too flawed, and we don't talk about voyager)
The Next series I watched was Farscape, and in a way, it was a breath of fresh air. Better show then the two mentioned Star Treks? Yes, but again very different. I can still say overall that farscape was much better, but I can't trash Next Gen. completely. I remember one NG episode where a captain is of a race that speaks only in reference to their bible/myth book. This man wants to make successful alien conflict so badly that he detains both himself and Picard on a planet with a huge monster like one of the myths. Although the captain is gored by the beast at the end, you feel pride for his sacrifice, and because of it, two species form a relationship that would have been otherwise impossible. Star Trek introduced me to TV SCI-FI, taught me many things, and made me think and imagine. Although Firefly succeeds both Farscape and Star Trek (In ways I'm sure you all know), they both still hold a special place in me for playing their part, and playing it well. (Mostly played well in the case of NG 
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Tsk, tsk Daedalus--you go to all the trouble to defend Star Trek (thank you for that by the way, I agree that Star Trek should get more respect then it gets) and then put down DS9.
Your reasoning was that it 'was flawed', but by your own admission all of Star Trek has been flawed. DS9 is in my opinion one of the most brilliant shows on TV that stands up almost to the level of Farscape and Firefly (my two favorite Sci-fi shows). It took the themes of Star Trek and actually put them to the test. It said "Yeah, people are better in the future--but what does war do to that?". You specificly defend TNG on the basis of its intellegent political situation, but DS9 really perfected that. The Bajorians, the Klingons, the Cardasins, the Dominion--the relationship between these races was constantly shifting throughout the show. It had one of the most well layered villans of any show I've ever seen (including Firefly) in the character of Dukat who was brilliantly potrayed. The main characters were dynamic throughout the show's run, thier relationships changed, and while they were still Star Trek characters--they still made mistakes.
How can you call any show that had episodes like "Duet", "In the Pale Moonlight", "Embisary", etc, anything less then what it was: one of the best shows on TV, and in some ways the best Star Trek period.
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I gotta agree with Ax.
Also, look at where they are "now."
TOS ended by making the jump to movies. Basically TOS writ large. After the movies (in the Lost Era books), things get interesting.
TNG did the same thing.
Voyager ended with the sound of a guillotine (seriously, listen closely when the credits card comes up and chokes off the music). The ship'll almost inevitably be refit, the crew'll probably end up disbanded (the ex-Maquis can retire and repopulate the former DMZ, the remaining crew get new assignments, Paris & Torres retire to raise their baby, Janeway gets stuck behind a desk). The end.
DS9 closed, but didn't end. The station is still there, but now with Col. Kira in charge. New crew will be rotated in to replace anyone who's leaving (O'Brien, Odo, Sisko, Worf, and someone finally realized that they need another science officer since Ezri isn't doing Jadzia's job 
). The novel series continues after the finale, and actually continues the story in new and wild directions (Quark/Ro shippage! Kira's crisis of faith! A friendly Jem'Hadar! A heroic Cardassian! A new "Starfleet Captain" character who's not actually a Captain, and has to take orders from Kira! And finally, a whole group of returning old characters!)
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Originally posted by Mayday:
Basically it's an intelligent SciFi drama with moments of intense levity.....If your looking for somthing that doesn't treat you like a four-year-old ("STar Trek - The Next Generation", for example), buy this DVD NOW!!!
Can you tell from that that I think Star Trek is inane, spoon-fed pivel aimed at children with all the substance of steam?
TNG, and Star Trek in general, is a vision of the future we would all like to see..humans are not separated by race, religion, etc. Why is that so wrong? Because of its popularity, TNG paved the way for the great SciFi that's on the air now. The Whedon series may not have been given a chance to grow if it had not been for Star Trek.
Trekkie,Browncoat,Leaper,MSTie
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Originally posted by Harpie:Quote:
Originally posted by Mayday:
Basically it's an intelligent SciFi drama with moments of intense levity.....If your looking for somthing that doesn't treat you like a four-year-old ("STar Trek - The Next Generation", for example), buy this DVD NOW!!!
Can you tell from that that I think Star Trek is inane, spoon-fed pivel aimed at children with all the substance of steam?
TNG, and Star Trek in general, is a vision of the future we would all like to see..humans are not separated by race, religion, etc. Why is that so wrong? Because of its popularity, TNG paved the way for the great SciFi that's on the air now. The Whedon series may not have been given a chance to grow if it had not been for Star Trek.
Trekkie,Browncoat,Leaper,MSTie
But this series was not given the chance to grow!
hmph thanks a lot star trek!
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MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this
chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.
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ACT -- don't REACT!!
Whoa whoa whoa, there Mayday and everyone else reacting to that awful review. You are welcome to hate Trek, but don't hate all over the Amazon reviews -- it's bad form and makes us look small.
I think you failed to read what was really going on for the reviewer cited by our Browncoat colleague. It is not so much a Trek lover as a moral poser and hater of anything that goes against their personal/religious/adopted doctrine. No doubt, this person was irked by some of the things that we find most interesting about FF.
Imagine how this sits with you if you are not a thinking person -- a whore is relabeled Companion and elevated to having high status within society. [This person probably has no knowledge of the role of women as temple dancers, etc. etc. in our "real" human history.]
Our heros are criminals and thugs. [The crimes they commit -- or don't -- become examples of the depraved state of society run amok and not vehicles to allow us to be brought into the characters and relationships. Violence is portrayed as the ultimate solution (even for that preacher and the crazy girl!!).]
Religon is eschewed or corrupted or cast aside and the portrayals of human evil are show to excess. [Not only did they make those who believe in chapter and verse scripture look like witch hunters, the preacher is being corrupted and the crazy girl is defiling the holy word...maybe she IS a witch and the show creator is in league with demons....]
And...if that wasn't bad enough, there be Lesbians!! [Oh...you get the point already!!]
Really...I think this person is one who is totally devoted to a particular moral viewpoint and would reject anything that crossed that viewpoint.
I agree we should add more good reviews, but for this type of person, it is better to ignore them, because they neither share our taste, nor are likely smart enough to grasp why we like Firefly or that we can like it without wishing to live the same way. (remember, Joss hates guns, be we've got guns aplenty in Firefly.)
Firefly is Art and Entertainment -- some aren't going to like it. some will hate it. It is up to us to help find those who might like it and introduce them to the show and 'verse. The lovers among them will naturally join our ranks.
Pant, pant...must stop typing.
Sorry for any typos...I don't much cotton to editing my posts except as I go along.
BTW, I'm originally an LA ghetto girl, so as a kid I only had heard of "hos" not "whores" and had a devil of a time trying to figure out their relationship to gardening.
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