Out of Gas: a masterpiece!

POSTED BY: Delvo
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 18:05
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EXDAIX

Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:54 PM

Where do you download the episodes?

MUDDER999

Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:35 PM

I loved Out of Gas. It was tense, yet humorous. A wonderful episode.

QUEENTIYE

Monday, October 28, 2002 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by Delvo:
WOW.

This episode is an example of why I don't like the "x out of 10" kind of rating system for anything. You cold mistakenly give some other episodes a 10, and then there's nowhere left to go when you see on elike this... but then, how far down are you supposed to hedge the numbers for another episode that you also loved, just because you weren't floored by it? How do you measure the difference between them?

Well, you could always give it a 4 point scale - Unforgivable, No reaction, ok, and WOW! Then all the Wows tie... ;)

And, if I were using such a rating system, I'd agree with you. WOW!! (of course, I'm very prone to giving 5s on 4 point scales - so WOW, WOW, WOW!!! LOL!)

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The other ship's crew's betrayal was predictable, and Mal saw it coming too, but it was clear he had no choices and accepted that. It was interesting to see him make those instantaneous decisions when his back was to the wall, more than once.

Ya. This was the ep that made me lose my heart to Mal, who I KNEW I was going to like the first time I saw him. In every scene, he's trying to hold it together, pushing the whole situation forward almost singlehandedly, trying to create options out of thin air...a girl couldn't help but love a guy like this. And, forgive me for my girlishness ;) but seeing Mal wrapped up in the cockpit like that just pushed every female instinct button I've got!

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Characterization for all on the show went clipping right along pretty well, except for one little issue: JW seems to have an immature, girlish perspective on love/sex/dating/romance. I was worried when I found out this show was being done by the creator of Buffy that this might happen. It hasn't gotten too bad on firefly yet, though. But still, it's becoming a noticible problem with the characters of Kaylee and Inara. Even in the episode when we find out Inara's reason for being there (paying Mal rent for transportation and a place to live and work), she does practically nothing else but oggle Mal and act nonsensically toward him. And Kaylee... why was she even on the ship in the middle of nowhere in the first place when not a part of the crew, and how are we supposed to believe her tastes in men? Doing that scene that way was just cheap sensationalism.

The Kaylee scene did Kaylee a disservice. Here's Mal, who's allowed to love his ship the way he does, but Kaylee (who we KNOW loves the ship intimately), must be a cheap whatever it was that Mal called her. It's slightly sexist - why can't they both have that myopic love for the ship? Why do we have to learn about her love for the ship by learning that she uncovered the problem while lying prone on her back??? Having said that, Inara mooning over Mal is perfectly normal, natural, and exactly what you'd expect from a companion who's emotions have hiccupped over any one male... I totally sympathize. IF Mal keeps it up, I may have to import the shamelessly gushing review!

QT

p.s. - I hope the Delvo review is going to become a weekly staple! Great job!

QT

QueenTiye, Companion Academy, class of 2006

JAYNESGIRLFRIEND

Monday, October 28, 2002 3:30 AM

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Originally posted by QueenTiye:

The Kaylee scene did Kaylee a disservice. Here's Mal, who's allowed to love his ship the way he does, but Kaylee (who we KNOW loves the ship intimately), must be a cheap whatever it was that Mal called her. It's slightly sexist - why can't they both have that myopic love for the ship? Why do we have to learn about her love for the ship by learning that she uncovered the problem while lying prone on her back??? Having said that, Inara mooning over Mal is perfectly normal, natural, and exactly what you'd expect from a companion who's emotions have hiccupped over any one male... I totally sympathize.

I don't think Mal called Kaylee a "prairie harpy" because Bester told him that engines make her hot. He hadn't even seen her yet, he was just pissed at his mechanic for being a loaf. And how is Kaylee having a healthy sex life, and admittedly, a couple of kinks, make the portrayal of her sexist? But Inara going goo-goo eyes over a man who calls her a whore is perfectly okay with you? Inara's obvious affection for Mal, considering the things he's said about her and they way he looks on her profession, which everyone else seems to think is perfectly respectable, makes me a little uncomfortable actually.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

QUEENTIYE

Monday, October 28, 2002 4:12 AM

Scouts honor - I'll be back! Great points Jaynesgirlfriend! See ya tomorrow when I'm awake to discuss!

QT

QueenTiye, Companion Academy, class of 2006

ROBERTSPARLING

Monday, October 28, 2002 5:09 AM

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Originally posted by JaynesGirlfriend:
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Originally posted by QueenTiye:

The Kaylee scene did Kaylee a disservice. Here's Mal, who's allowed to love his ship the way he does, but Kaylee (who we KNOW loves the ship intimately), must be a cheap whatever it was that Mal called her. It's slightly sexist - why can't they both have that myopic love for the ship? Why do we have to learn about her love for the ship by learning that she uncovered the problem while lying prone on her back??? Having said that, Inara mooning over Mal is perfectly normal, natural, and exactly what you'd expect from a companion who's emotions have hiccupped over any one male... I totally sympathize.

I don't think Mal called Kaylee a "prairie harpy" because Bester told him that engines make her hot. He hadn't even seen her yet, he was just pissed at his mechanic for being a loaf. And how is Kaylee having a healthy sex life, and admittedly, a couple of kinks, make the portrayal of her sexist? But Inara going goo-goo eyes over a man who calls her a whore is perfectly okay with you? Inara's obvious affection for Mal, considering the things he's said about her and they way he looks on her profession, which everyone else seems to think is perfectly respectable, makes me a little uncomfortable actually.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

Maybe it's me but what is everyone talking about with the googly eyed Inara? I'll admit, we've all been trained by TV to assume that when a woman loks at a man, smiles at him even, that she must harbor some deep feeelings for said man. But this is Josh Whedon we're talking about. Joss freaking Whedon. This is a man who is all about women impowerment in his writing.

Inara wasn't making googly eyes at Mal. Get over it people. She's been trained as a companion, she sizes men up as a matter of course, looks them over and evaluates them, because she's been expertly trained to do so. And why does she smile at the man who calls her a whore? Becuase she has sized him up, along with his situation, and already determined that she has won. The shuttle is hers. Who doesn't like smiling when they know they've already won?

And I'm sorry, but what are you saying Jaynesgirl? I just don't understand your beef with Kaylee's treatment. Pleaase elaborate if you see fit.

JAYNESGIRLFRIEND

Monday, October 28, 2002 5:54 AM

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Originally posted by RobertSparling:
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Originally posted by JaynesGirlfriend:
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Originally posted by QueenTiye:

The Kaylee scene did Kaylee a disservice. Here's Mal, who's allowed to love his ship the way he does, but Kaylee (who we KNOW loves the ship intimately), must be a cheap whatever it was that Mal called her. It's slightly sexist - why can't they both have that myopic love for the ship? Why do we have to learn about her love for the ship by learning that she uncovered the problem while lying prone on her back??? Having said that, Inara mooning over Mal is perfectly normal, natural, and exactly what you'd expect from a companion who's emotions have hiccupped over any one male... I totally sympathize.

I don't think Mal called Kaylee a "prairie harpy" because Bester told him that engines make her hot. He hadn't even seen her yet, he was just pissed at his mechanic for being a loaf. And how is Kaylee having a healthy sex life, and admittedly, a couple of kinks, make the portrayal of her sexist? But Inara going goo-goo eyes over a man who calls her a whore is perfectly okay with you? Inara's obvious affection for Mal, considering the things he's said about her and they way he looks on her profession, which everyone else seems to think is perfectly respectable, makes me a little uncomfortable actually.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

Inara wasn't making googly eyes at Mal. Get over it people. She's been trained as a companion, she sizes men up as a matter of course, looks them over and evaluates them, because she's been expertly trained to do so. And why does she smile at the man who calls her a whore? Becuase she has sized him up, along with his situation, and already determined that she has won. The shuttle is hers. Who doesn't like smiling when they know they've already won?

And I'm sorry, but what are you saying Jaynesgirl? I just don't understand your beef with Kaylee's treatment. Pleaase elaborate if you see fit.

Sorry this is so long, but I'm hoping by leaving that whole string of responses up it'll be a little clearer about what I was saying.

I'm not entirely sure Inara was making googly eyes at Mal when they first met, I need to rewatch that. But QueenTiye was stating an opinion that relied on the idea that Inara had been so I responded with that same assumption. But my last statement about feeling a little uncomfortable with Inara's affection for Mal stemmed from other episodes. Even if she wasn't taken with him during their introduction, she certainly is now, but he doesn't seem to have changed his mind about whether or not she's a whore. If Inara were such an empowered woman how could she possibly fall for a man who so disaproves of her?

I don't have a beef with Kaylee's treatment actually. Bester isn't the one who called her a "prairie harpy".

BTW, forgive me if I sound at all rude, I'm PMSing like mad.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

LOONYTOON

Monday, October 28, 2002 7:34 AM

sex + money = WHORE! I don`t see why someone would object to Mal calling her a whore. She might only lay nice guy, but everything the good cap`n has said about her has been true. She may be a high class whore, or the whore with a heart of gold, but she is still a whore. Maybe she likes mal cuz he is the only one that treats her like a normal person cuz he see`s no special reason to respect her. And the nice whore is not a new idea, watch "Unforgiven" with Clint Eastwood.

JAYNESGIRLFRIEND

Monday, October 28, 2002 9:28 AM

Please ignore him. Please God in Heaven just ignore him and maybe he'll go away.

On the other hand, I always wanted an arch-nemesis.

"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne

QUILL

Monday, October 28, 2002 11:37 AM

I loved the scene where Mal looks at Serenity for the first time, all alone on the landing field. One can see her looking back at him, the first time I've seen real personality in that ship. Love at first sight...and mutual, I'll bet.

Inside every cynic there's an idealist desperately yearning to be let out, and when they are let out they're usually a real pain and cause all sorts of trouble. --Chris Boucher

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