If you like Bush & what he's done to this world, you are evil.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 19:38
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rapo, I can Wiki too. So I noticed that you left out some essential parts, specifically the part which said:Quote:Look, you're desperately wrong about this. Man up to it and move on.
While some politicians have argued that the resolution could authorize war under certain circumstances, the representatives in the meeting were clear that this was not the case. The ambassador for the United States, John Negroponte, said: “ [T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12.[2] ”
The ambassador for the United Kingdom, the co-sponsor of the resolution, said: “ We heard loud and clear during the negotiations the concerns about "automaticity" and "hidden triggers" -- the concern that on a decision so crucial we should not rush into military action; that on a decision so crucial any Iraqi violations should be discussed by the Council. Let me be equally clear in response... There is no "automaticity" in this resolution. If there is a further Iraqi breach of its disarmament obligations, the matter will return to the Council for discussion as required in paragraph 12. We would expect the Security Council then to meet its responsibilities.[3]
Stop going over old ground and trying to make reality something other than what is was.
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I'm not wrong about this. The U.N. weenies wanted every chance to escape being blamed for for this, but still wanted to appear as if they were doing something courageous. They weren't, because the U.N. is nothing but a giant suck fest, a place where tyrants and third world thugs can get together and basically beat down the USA. Only in this case, the US and the West was right to try to stop Saddam, so the U.N. went through the motions, as best they could , to put on the show that they too agreed something should be done. Only when it came time for Fold or Fight, the bureaurcrats did the best to appear like they wanted to do the latter, but instead did the former. Few are brave enough to take on real evil, hell, even identify it. Most of the time, we have folks who want to go along to get along, ( U.N. Food for Oil scam ) and just pretend everything is running along peachy.
Well, we called B.S. on that, and chose NOT to look the other way. Now some are wishing to return to the lie, wish they had taken the Blue Pill, and don't want to know how the world REALLY is.
I've said my piece on this, I'm done running in circles, there's no need to continue this thread..... aloha.
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Quote:There is some small bit of truth here IMO, but this doesn't cover it all. Yeah the UN has it's problems, but the vote was NO.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm not wrong about this. The U.N. weenies wanted every chance to escape being blamed for for this, but still wanted to appear as if they were doing something courageous.
And it's good to see that you're finally running out of spin for this administration.
Don't worry, when Obama's administration effs up, we can be right there together callin' him on it. It'll be as if we never had opposite opinions on anything.
Future Chrisisall
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Quote:You ARE. The representatives from many nations, including from the USA and Britain left a clear written record of the intent of the Resolution, and the ONE THING they were REALLY clear about was that it was NOT a resolution to invade Iraq.
I'm not wrong about this.
Now, you may whinge and twist and thrash about what the UN should have done, but the ONE THING YOU CANNOT HIDE BEHIND IS THE IDEA THAT THE UN AUTHORIZED AN INVASION OF IRAQ. IT DID NOT.
I will call you A LIAR and quote this frigging thread each and every time you repeat that falsehood. It will stick to your shoe like a piece of toilet paper... like the economy. Sooner or later you might begin to realize that there is such as thing as reality, and it's not made up of the endless supply of fibs, tall tales, wishful thinking and scare stories that seem to have taken root in your brain.
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This resolution told Saddam to get the hell out, and authorized "Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait ... to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."
I find this passage particularly interesting. It gives "member states" such as Iran, Syria, or Turkey the authority to now invade Iraq and kick the US out, using "all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660..., and to restore peace and security in the area."
I mean, if WE can use that as authority to invade, can't other nations now use it to invade and try to drive US out of Iraq, if it's to restore security to the area?
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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I am reminded of an interview just after the Berlin Wall came down and some Russians were touring the U.S. When asked what they thought of America, they made two interesting observations. One, they pointed out that we seemed so afraid of each other. The second was referring to our news and newspapers, to which they observed, "In our country we have an advantage in those area's. When we read something or see it on t.v., we know it's bullshit. You here seem to believe it."
A friend of mine pointed out that things were better when the Mafia ran everything. Community based and all.
Never forget to follow the MONEY!
The rest is just filler.
Just picking nits off each other.
It's the power of nightmares.
Captain B
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Yo, Rap,
" ... whihch is riding a 25 + yr time span of economic growth ..."
So you're giving Bush credit for Clinton's great economy in that 25 year span. Meanwhile, Bush's economy has been flat - at best. But what the hey.
"Saddam was removed from power because he failed to provide the evidence that he had destroyed those weapons. The U.N. resolutions required this of him, and he failed to comply."
Actually, he met every timetable and every requirement in the months before the US attacked Iraq - from filing the paperwork with the UN to allowing intrusive unfettered inspections. So much so that Bush couldn't find any other UN line in the sand and had to DEMAND that Hussein and top government officials leave Iraq to avoid war. Was this a UN resolution ? No. It was a complete fabrication on Bush's part that had nothing to do with the UN or its resolutions in any way. And THAT my friend was BUSH'S pretext to go to war.
"Those same resolutions said that any member nation could use force to compel him to comply ...and that's exactly what some member nations did."
With the caveat that under the UN charter no UN nation - or nations - is allowed to attack another nation under the UN flag without specific authorization. By specific authorization is meant which country is to have military force used against it or which areas of the country, goals and objectives, the time and timetable, which countries will perform the UN action and number of forces from each, rules of engagement and so forth. And then it becomes a UN action.
The US attack a nation that posed no threat and without the required UN authorization. Yes it was illegal.
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So you're giving Bush credit for Clinton's great economy in that 25 year span. Meanwhile, Bush's economy has been flat - at best. But what the hey.
[sarcasm]Rue, Rue, Rue... you poor, misguided liberal schmuck. Haven't you figured it out yet? The SUCCESS over the last 25 years is all due to Dubya. The FLATNESS over the last 8 is due to Clinton. Or Obama. Or maybe Carter. But most definitely NOT Dubya.
You just don't get how economics work... [/sarcasm]
Also, I find it amusing that on the whole Saddam thing, AwwCrapper's now trying to pin it all an the UN - an institution conservatives historically don't believe has any authority whatsoever, and that the US should pull out of.
So you don't recognize their authority, except when you falsely point to that authority to justify your illegal little Oil for Blood corruption...
Talk about circular logic!
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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So you're giving Bush credit for Clinton's great economy in that 25 year span. Meanwhile, Bush's economy has been flat - at best. But what the hey.
No, but I am giving Reagan credit for starting it all. Bush43 did hs part in cutting taxes, a little, and seeing the death tax phased out.
Quote:Sorry, but Saddam's credibility and his word wasn't worth all that much by then. His previous lies and games played cost him.
Actually, he met every timetable and every requirement in the months before the US attacked Iraq - from filing the paperwork with the UN to allowing intrusive unfettered inspections
No, no caveat required w/ the U.N. sanctions. Read the resolutions. Everything is specifically spelled out. They just didn't think we'd actually carry it out. We did. And it was purely legal.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:YOU ARE A LIAR.
Sorry, but Saddam's credibility and his word wasn't worth all that much by then. His previous lies and games played cost him.
No, no caveat required w/ the U.N. sanctions. Read the resolutions. Everything is specifically spelled out. They just didn't think we'd actually carry it out. We did. And it was purely legal.
John Negroponte, US Ambassador to the UN said
Quote:And YOUR credibility is right there with Saddam's. It's even worse than Bush's.
[T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12.
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YOU ARE A LIAR.
You keep using that word. I do not believe that word means what you think it means.
I honestly believe that the war on Iraq was sanctioned by the U.N. vis-a-vis the resolutions discussed above, namely 678( authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) ) , 687 ( imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area, ) and 1441 . I posted an explanation as to such above as well.
You seem to think otherwise, which is fine. One of us is wrong. Being wrong does not make one a 'liar'. Try to keep that in mind from now on.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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