If you like Bush & what he's done to this world, you are evil.

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Originally posted by rallem:
You have no idea what level the people I spoke to wee so you cannot say that.

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I can't say that the some of the people I spoke to were higher than some of the other people I spoke to? Ok. I think you need to take a refresher course in reading comprehension . Actually Special Forces personnel on the ground don't tend to be very high up the chain of command, not much past Sargent, which is lower than my own grade FYI.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
How can we have serious political discussions here anyway? It's always no-oh-oh, yes-ess-ess. Facts are irrelevant; it's opinions that dominate. Lies are mis-told truth, and truth is mis-understood lies.
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I don't disagree with you on that! It's just interesting to see that even the most positive and humorous people - like you - can get beat down by RWED, all the way to the point of calling folks evil. Hey - I'll admit I find it funny and oddly satisfying, but it won't get us anywhere but further divided.

I sometimes wonder what the RWED would be like if the serious name-callers and overly defensive types (I don't mean you) would just shut up for a while. I mean, do you ever get the feeling that people might actually agree on the basics, but they're so busy being Type A, mis-reading each other's posts and screaming and yelling over strawmen, that they can't see it? They turn everything into so much a bigger deal than it is.

YOU SAY THIS ONE WATERBOARDING CASE IS PERMISSABLE THEREFORE YOU LOVE ALL TORTURE AND HATE AMERICA YOU NAZI LOVING FREEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!

YOU DON'T SUPPORT THIS OTHER WATERBOARDING CASE THEREFORE YOU'RE WITH THE TERRORISTS AND HATE AMERICA YOU NAZI LOVING FREEEEEEEK!!!!!!

*sigh*

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You are not banned from this thread Mal, provided you supply me with glue to sniff to make my digestion of AU's position on world politics easier to understand.

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No fun glue, sorry, just a theory I've been working on for many years...

See, it's a cult. Bush and his crew and his diehard following is totally a cult built around a central personality and a system of paranoia, blind loyalty, and self-deception. Focus the spotlight on that last one: self-deception. That's the key. I tell you, Scott McClellan - his own actions and the things he said about Bush - made this so clear to me. They're a cult, plain and simple.

I don't believe they're consciously, intentionally cultish, and I don't believe they're evil. All the accusations we throw at them - and at Rap - will never make any sense to them because they genuinely aren't out to hurt anyone. They just want to exist on their own terms, which include a few basic and not unreasonable things, such as: 1) A solid foundation on which to build a sense of self worth 2) The safety of being able to identify friend from foe 3) Power over their own fate, rather than helplessness.

I think we all have these needs, but a good cult will find ways to twist them, to make people act against their own interests, just so they can have a guarantee that these needs will be met. ie 1) America is the F*cking BEST and if anyone doesn't like us it's because they're JEALOUS! 2) As long as I surround myself with white-skinned well-dressed Bible-loving folks who wear US flag lapel pins, no one will ever, ever hurt me. 3) I'm unhappy and gotta act right now dammit! Something, anything! You say Muslims did it? All right, let's go kill some Muslims!

The problem lies in how people get so desperate to have these needs met, and so reliant on the cult that guarantees all this for them, that they can't see the damage being done. They can't face up to how maybe things aren't working so good. If they do, they lose everything. Everything! No wonder Rap puts up such a fight. Losing Bush is more than losing a hero to him - it's the loss of his identity as a vastly superior and righteous American, the loss of his personal security blanket and his percieved control over a scary and dangerous world. In fact, I'd say that attacking him the way folks do in RWED will only make him cling more tightly to his cult. It fits his idea that liberals and Democrats are out to get him and destroy the comfy fortress that Bush built. He may really believe that has no where else to go.

BTW, lest this be taken as Dem/Rep thing - I became a strident Hillary non-supporter because I began to see some very Bush-like tendencies in her, self-deception being the main thing. What did McClellan say? Bush makes himself believe things that are

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Special Forces personal on the Ground in an A Team are very rarely below the rank of Sergeant and there usually is an officer there or very nearby, and there are warrent officers too.



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Originally posted by mal4prez:
even the most positive and humorous people - like you - can get beat down by RWED, all the way to the point of calling folks evil.

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No, I'm not so beat down, but I am tired of actually arguing my points to the point of frustration. Peeps will believe what they will- best have a sense of humour about it.

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They can't face up to how maybe things aren't working so good. If they do, they lose everything. Everything! No wonder Rap puts up such a fight. Losing Bush is more than losing a hero to him - it's the loss of his identity as a vastly superior and righteous American, the loss of his personal security blanket and his percieved control over a scary and dangerous world. In fact, I'd say that attacking him the way folks do in RWED will only make him cling more tightly to his cult.

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Y'know, when we ain't talkin' politics, I actually get on well with the dude. Peeps need to ease up on the control thing...me included at times.

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She wasn't just trying to fool us - she wasn't lying. She really talked herself into believing these things she said

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Scarier to hear that crap than bona fide lies, IMO.

Maybe Bush didn't lie, but the alternative is worse, so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, heh heh.

BTW Mal, you are evil.


Evil Chrisisall

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Originally posted by rallem:
Special Forces personal on the Ground in an A Team are very rarely below the rank of Sergeant and there usually is an officer there or very nearby, and there are warrent officers too.

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Do you bother to read what I write? I didn't say below Sergeant, I said not much past (higher than) it. A Warrant Officer in the US army, which is what I assume you are referring to, is between NCOs and Commissioned officers in Rank, i.e. not very high up the chain of command. As for officers I'd be surprised to see anyone above an O3 routinely in the field, but more likely an O1 or O2.

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Mal4Prez:

Once again, I bow to you. You are my idol.

Well said, and too true. Even the part about "certain people" getting a bit too aggro about their points. Point taken. :)

Never thought about it that way, but it makes perfect sense. Cult Bush. Cripes, it sounds even worse than Cult Saturn!



Mike

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
No, I'm not so beat down, but I am tired of actually arguing my points to the point of frustration. Peeps will believe what they will- best have a sense of humour about it.

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Agreed! Um... except when I have a chance to wax on about my odd theories...

Yeah, and the debates have gotten old. Lying! Not lying! Was too! Was not! Your candidate's a toad! Your mom's ugly! You're a nazi! You're a biped!

Ok, I admit - I do enjoy that last one LOL!

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Scarier to hear that crap than bona fide lies, IMO.

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There was point when I realized that W wasn't actually the head of an evil but competent cabal with plans of exploiting Iraq for oil and taking over the world. Thing is, if that were the case, he'd at least have a plan. Meaning, yes, I find it scarier that the leader of the free world got the US mired in this mess through nothing but his own idiocy and psychological backwardness. There's just no clear no way out.

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BTW Mal, you are evil.

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Why thank you. I do my best.



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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Why thank you. I do my best.

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You're welcome.

Absolutely off-topic: Burn Notice tomorrow on DVD...be there. Aloha.

Charred Chrisisall

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