If you like Bush & what he's done to this world, you are evil.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 19:38
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please do not try to question my loyalty, I served my country same as you...serenity valley is a horrible analogy. The US is not some rebel band of people, We are the central planets enforcing our beliefs on another country. No one is saying we don't value the troops, however, we as a country are having torture done in our name openly, we as a country have invaded another country on false premise, multiple ones actually the latest being to spread our civilization to the Iraqi's. Might I also remind you that 9/11 and Iraq have absolutely nothing in common. Saddam did not harbor terrorist nor did he attack us, but hey we got him..now where the hell is Osama? You remember the guy who orchestrated the attacks on us? How about the war in Afghanistan, forgot about that did you? I like most Americans were for that. So before you try to guilt trip another veteran, shut up and get your facts straight, I lost too many good friends for that prick's lies.
To the rest of you I apologize for my language and you know I am tolerant of many other views, but ignorant guilt tripping is not something I tolerate. If you believe in Bush and his war don't cry to me about Iraq. It sucks and you shouldn't be over there. I have been against it from the beginning, have never supported it. Wrong time, wrong plan. If anything we did(and I hate to make this comparison but it is only meant as a military strategy comparison, not an ethical one) we are doing what caused a major problem in the Germans plans in WW2. Fighting a battle on more than one front in unfavorable territory.
So no I will not support Bush's war. It has nothing to do with 9/11, nothing. Saddam had done zilch to us, stop listening to fox, as any good browncoat should know they are evil and read a damned newspaper, or try getting something from real news channels, you know the ones who actual give facts and not opinion.
You are absolutely right about my quote though. The answer is ourselves. So get out of lockstep and become a little independent.
When there are no heroes where will we turn?
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Everyone. Every single member of the House and the Senate. Not a single one of them was against the war? You state that as a clearcut, undeniable FACT. And for the record, saying "Saddam's WMD programs must be stopped" is not the same as saying "We must invade Iraq, NOW!" If it were, we'd already have invaded North Korea, Pakistan, and Iran. We haven't, so I have to conclude that wanting a program to cease and invading a nation aren't exactly the same thing.
Saddam HAS a WMD program before the war and then lamely trying to claim you were duped by the intelligence, and that Bush some how lied is the weakest excuse out there, yet almost all Democrats who were for the war, said Saddam had to be stopped, how ever the hell you want to put it, who now are running from their previous position, and the only thing that's changed is who sits in the White House.
That's all that needs to be said on the matter, MIKE.
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Although I do see that you've moderated your position on Bush's lies. You now accept that he IS a liar, but you've narrowed your focus only to the prelude to the invasion of Iraq. I *guess* that counts as some sort of progress...
The issue has always been regarding the absurd claims that Bush ' lied us " into Iraq. I'm not "narrowing down " anything, as the focus has always BEEN about the prelude to Iraq. Enough w/ these fallacies in your argument, o.k. ? Those who wave their signs or slap idiot slogans on their bumper stickers that " Bush lied, people died " have it 100% wrong. He didn't lie, per Iraq. He may have gotten some things wrong, may have stuck w/ Rumsfeld too long and stood by failing tactics, but there's never been a war where some of that hasn't gone on. Ever. Only those who hate this President or his policies are going to exaggerate his failures and ignore any successes which occur. Which would be o.k., except when in times like these, the net out come is to vilify the troops and try to promote the notion that what they're doing is based on lies ( it isn't ) and that what we've lost 1000's of troops for is a worthless cause ( again, it's far from the case )
As much as you might disagree w/ someone or their policy, that doesn't make that person a liar. Oddly, that's the one thing Liberals can't seem to get through their skulls.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Someone tells me that you killed my mom. My policy is not to question what I'm told, so I tell everyone that you did it, and I kill you.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
As much as you might disagree w/ someone or their policy, that doesn't make that person a liar. Oddly, that's the one thing Liberals can't seem to get through their skulls.
I'm so sorry if you disagree with my policy. At least I didn't lie.
isall
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Quote:Another analogy:
Originally posted by Asiansolo:
I saw what the Iraqi people had to put up with and I am glad that we liberated them .
My dad was keeping us hostage in our house, beating us periodically. He'd let us go to work and buy food & such, but it wasn't a nice existence. The police came in and had a shootout with him, tearing up the block, and killing him. At least my brother & sisters & I are free of him, but our car was destroyed, as well as our home and the place where we all worked, plus our mom & some friends were also killed.
There had to be a better way.
BTW, I'm glad you came back alive & well, and I respect your service to this country, Asiansolo.
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Someone tells me that you killed my mom. My policy is not to question what I'm told, so I tell everyone that you did it, and I kill you.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
As much as you might disagree w/ someone or their policy, that doesn't make that person a liar. Oddly, that's the one thing Liberals can't seem to get through their skulls.
I'm so sorry if you disagree with my policy. At least I didn't lie.
If I'm the one w/ a history of killing moms, and I've told you yours is next, I'd say you have a case there. But since I'm not a mom killer, and happen to think quite highly of your mom ( she made you, didn't she ? ) then there's little chance such a rumor is valid.
You analogy does not fit the circumstances of the discussion at hand.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:!@#@!!! You're taking it literally!!!! ANY analogy falls apart that way- it's the parallels that matter, doofus!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
If I'm the one w/ a history of killing moms, and I've told you yours is next, I'd say you have a case there. But since I'm not a mom killer, and happen to think quite highly of your mom ( she made you, didn't she ? ) then there's little chance such a rumor is valid.
Quote:Your rejection of my analogy does not fit the circumstances of the discussion at hand.
You analogy does not fit the circumstances of the discussion at hand.
Edit to add: But hey- what do I expect? You're evil....
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Edit to add: But hey- what do I expect? You're evil....
Hey, I praised your mom. I can't be THAT evil, can I ?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Like I've said before, I sense the good in you- the conflict....
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hey, I praised your mom. I can't be THAT evil, can I ?
Jediisall
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this thread is changing meisall.....
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As Auraptor is the only one on the other side of this issue who really can debate this,this is directed to you. I am assuming you either condone torture or you don't. If you condone torture, then you are an evil person, plain and simple. In all our movies and television shows its the bad guys who torture and the good guys who overcome. Well guess what, Bush condones and promotes torture, making him evil. Hell our beloved Firefly has the evil guy doing torture and the good guys using violence only when they had to. The war aside you should not agree with this policy. We can go a step further, we have tortured people who are not guilty of any crime, I mean come on, the guy is not a good man. So to paraphrase you are either with the torturers or you are against them. Where do you stand?
When there are no heroes where will we turn?
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