If you like Bush & what he's done to this world, you are evil.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 19:38
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Quote:And YOU are BANNED, Fletch, for, uh...for...well I'm not tellin' ya!!!
Originally posted by Fletch2:
To my mind being wrong and telling a lie hinges completely on if the person giving out the information knows it to be false otherwise it's just bad info.
See this virus? It's my BOOMSTICK!!! Now I swear, the next one of you primates, even posts here....
Good, bad, I'm the guy with the spamisall
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Quote:YOU Rallem, are NOT banned, because you are just too gorram hi-larious.
Originally posted by rallem:
How can they be innocent if they are Muslim? Aren't all Muslims evil God haters?
On an omnipotent-trip Chrisisall
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OK. I generally love Chris's political views, but something is odd... is anyone else wondering if he's gotten into some new mental state lately?
Sniffing glue maybe?
Ban me, I DARE you LOL!
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Sniffing glue maybe?
How can we have serious political discussions here anyway? It's always no-oh-oh, yes-ess-ess. Facts are irrelevant; it's opinions that dominate. Lies are mis-told truth, and truth is mis-understood lies.
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You are not banned from this thread Mal, provided you supply me with glue to sniff to make my digestion of AU's position on world politics easier to understand.
isall
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Ahhh, I've missed you all. Still going at if after all this time. Aurapator drinking the koolaid as usual refusing to believe that a politician would lie to get his way. Bush is a huge liar, not to say that he is alone in that most of the crooks in our body of "government" are. So you are looking for lies spread by Bush, well the yellow cake from Niger was repudiated by Joe Wilson which led to the outing of under cover agent Valerie Plame, which was acknowledged as passing through the office of the president, but you don't remember that? You remember the people who were a boilerplate operation in Iran that were all exposed, which went to trail and the prosecuters were removed by Alberto Gonzales the "torture czar" who became our leader of justice? How maybe you'll counter with "but those weren't proof that Bush did something". So you are tellling me the guy isn't smart enough to have someone take a fall and then pardon his treason, which by all definitions of treason, putting American lives in danger for political reasons falls under.
Bush lies, well do you consider sending information back that does not agree with your personal views on a country or reason for war and not accepting it until it says what you want a lie? Or is that just a constant reevaluation of the facts?
Here's a real easy one. The Bush "ranch". Doesn't a ranch need animals to be a ranch? It would be a lie to call it that otherwise. A very trivial one, but one nonetheless.
Back to real topics. How about the fact that when our budget is put forth by Bush he refuses to disclose the cost of war as part of his budget so that the budget will balance? That's a lie. Hiding the truth is a lie plain and simple.
Ooh, how about no pardons on his watch. He pardoned someone, another lie.
So what is the reason for invading Iraq again?
Is it democracy? WMD's? Saddam's non-existent ties to Al-qaeda? Aluminum tubes? Forward operating bases? Oil security?
What happened to Osama bin Laden, you remember the ass that bombed us? Shouldn't we have finished the job in Afghanistan? I completely supported that war.
Oh Bush is a Christian right? So as a Christian it is okay to ignore the poor, kill, disbelieve in redemption, torture, exploit the Earth, covet money, etc ad nauseum?(sp?)
Just on Republican presidents in general, when is that last republican president who got rid of our debt? Or a better question, who didn't leave us in a recession? In my lifespan, which has been admittedly short, the only time we have not been in recession has been under Clinton. In fact according to some statistics which I don't pretend to understand Democratic control of congress, which apparently has more power than the president has led to more expansion and less decline than republican congress. 8 years of solid downturn are enough for me not to vote for Democrats but against Republicans.
It is choice between the lesser of two evils unfortunately and being a deist, as many of the founding fathers it does not take much to realize that faith based government has no place in our government.
Politics aside I know that there are many issues that conservatives and liberals agree on. Personally I am for increased border security with Mexico and a worker visa program that allows for taxes to be paid, set wages and possibility to have faster citizenship for the worker and their family. I am for revised welfare system, the encourages you to work and requires mandatory community service work so that you are not just getting a hand out. The most ridiculous thing I have ever heard is my uncle being told that he did not qualify for food stamps because he made too much money after taxes and child support. He made about $50/wk after all that. So he was told to quit his job so that he could receive full benefits. Dumb dumb dumb.
Auraptor I know you are a somewhat intelligent individual, but you know that in order for anyone to make the white house they have to have lied their ass off. Bush knows how to surround himself with people very well. He has consistently
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Bush lies, well do you consider sending information back that does not agree with your personal views on a country or reason for war and not accepting it until it says what you want a lie? Or is that just a constant reevaluation of the facts?
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Here's a real easy one. The Bush "ranch". Doesn't a ranch need animals to be a ranch? It would be a lie to call it that otherwise. A very trivial one, but one nonetheless.
A ranch could be "rancho" meaning camp or small farm, or a holiday resort offering ranch activities (riding and camping) or a style of house.
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Back to real topics. How about the fact that when our budget is put forth by Bush he refuses to disclose the cost of war as part of his budget so that the budget will balance? That's a lie. Hiding the truth is a lie plain and simple.
He itemize the amount of the budget it will take to run the Military
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So what is the reason for invading Iraq again?
Is it democracy? WMD's? Saddam's non-existent ties to Al-qaeda? Aluminum tubes? Forward operating bases? Oil security?
You forgot revenge, but there were camps like Salman Pak which were used for the training of Terrorists which were ended with the invasion of Iraq. Also I would like to point out that President Bush had been pretty consistent on stating his desire to spread a modern nation of Democracy in the Middle East for its neighbors to emulate.
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Oh Bush is a Christian right? So as a Christian it is okay to ignore the poor, kill, disbelieve in redemption, torture, exploit the Earth, covet money, etc ad nauseum?(sp?)
Being a Christian or calling oneself a Christian does not mean you are a perfect person.
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Just on Republican presidents in general, when is that last republican president who got rid of our debt? Or a better question, who didn't leave us in a recession? In my lifespan, which has been admittedly short, the only time we have not been in recession has been under Clinton. In fact according to some statistics which I don't pretend to understand Democratic control of congress, which apparently has more power than the president has led to more expansion and less decline than republican congress. 8 years of solid downturn are enough for me not to vote for Democrats but against Republicans.
Actually the word recession is being used too liberally here and the only times a recession were felt in my lifetime which isn't as short as yours I think were from President Carter, (Democrat) and President George H. Bush at the end of his term the entire world was in a recession which the Democrats had successfully pinned on him but as it turns out the United State's economy while in a recession was much better than the rest of the world's economy. I would like to point out that President Clinton ran his economy exactly like a Republican would in his first term of Service and was heavily criticized for it by his Democratic peers and that while I am not sure if we were in a recession at the end of his eight years our economy was in a down turn. I would also like to point out that an economy just like almost everything else runs like a sine wave and there cannot be an upturn without there being a down.
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It is choice between the lesser of two evils unfortunately and being a deist, as many of the founding fathers it does not take much to realize that faith based government has no place in our government.
The term separation of church and state was coined by Thomas Jefferson but he and our other forefathers were not the original minds who made up this concept and it was Martin Luther who wrote of two separate kingdoms during his push for Protestant reform. Even then I cannot say it was Martin Luther who thought up this concept, because I believe that Jesus Christ said something like “Give unto God which is God’s and unto Caesar which is Caesar’s,” but that is irrelevant, because while there is a stated separation of church and state that does not mean a separation of Church from State o
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He itemize the amount of the budget it will take to run the Military
He do? Then why he keep going back to Congress demanding (not requesting, but DEMANDING, as if they owe him) more money to throw into that hellhole that he created in Iraq? And why does he keep referring to it as "emergency" spending? We've been in this ridiculous war for over 5 years now - do you still think sudden emergencies are cropping up every 3-4 months that require another $80-120 billion?
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Also I would like to point out that President Bush had been pretty consistent on stating his desire to spread a modern nation of Democracy in the Middle East for its neighbors to emulate.
How's that workin' out for ya? Let's see, we have the Palestinians electing Hamas to represent them - in elections which weren't disputed as being faked or rigged - and in response to that "democracy" the US has simply refused to acknowledge or speak to Hamas representatives.
We have a puppet regime which we installed in Iraq, and every time they try to flex a little muscle and show some free will, we shut them down and shut them up, and continue to ram our own policies down their "democracy".
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Being a Christian or calling oneself a Christian does not mean you are a perfect person.
But apparently it gives you a pass on even being a DECENT person. Once you slap on that "Christian" label (and a cute little flag lapel button), you feel like you can do anything you want, because you're "forgiven". Calling yourself a Christian might not mean that you are a perfect person, but it SHOULD mean that you're damn well TRYING to be a BETTER person!
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I would also like to point out that an economy just like almost everything else runs like a sine wave and there cannot be an upturn without there being a down.
Ah, but we seldom hear that during the upturn, do we? What we get are these horseshit predictions about how, if things continue at this pace, we'll have nickels piled to the moon in three weeks, and other such gibberish. What DOESN'T get pointed out is that things DON'T continue at this pace, because they can't, because it's a cyclical thing. Now, if you scroll around the archives, you'll find posts about how "the economy's on fire!" and "despite doom-n-gloomers, economy continues to roll" - where the Bush supporters didn't care to point out that (a) the President has very little real impact on the economy, but gets most of the blame when it goes to shit because "the buck stops here" as the man said, and (b) the Republican model of deficit-spending can only keep so many balls in the air for so long. It's a juggling act, it's smoke and mirrors - it's like me going out and buying millions of dollars worth of crap that I don't need and can't afford, just to APPEAR as if I'm much richer than I actually am.
No thought is ever given to HOW we're going to pay this off, or WHEN we're going to pay this off. Democrats get so much crap hurled at them for traditionally being the party that raises taxes, but it never once gets pointed out that ANYONE who follows someone like Reagan or Dubya is going to HAVE TO raise taxes - not to pay for new programs or increase existing programs, just to pay off the massive amounts of debt incurred by those who were trying to give a false sense of how great their economies were doing.
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...while there is a stated separation of church and state that does not mean a separation of Church from State or visa versa.
???? But that's exactly what it DOES mean! The Founding Fathers, while they may have been "christian", were certainly not your modern brand of fundamentalist Bible-thumping religious zealot. Their belief in a Creator was more in line with the beliefs of the Indians, that there was a Great Spirit of the world. Many of them warned specifically against the corrosive influence of those who would use Christ as their weapon. While they may have had their beliefs, they were adamant that such beliefs should not be forced on anyone, and that no "offi
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Rallem as a quick clarification for your confusion, the Bush administration would receive information from intelligence that it did not agree with, so they would not accept that information, send it back and tell the analysts that the information was not correct and to redo it, kind of like a teacher who makes up the answers as they go along.
Bush's "ranch" fits none of the descriptions you gave, it is neither a small camp or farm, he has no animals and it is not a ranch style of house.
Kwicko covered most of the other ones. However I would like to elaborate saying if a Democrat can run a republican style economy better than a Republican that should be a warning flag for the Republican's right? Clinton got rid of the deficit while maintaining programs for the poor. We are now in MASSIVE debt and have become less secure as a result of it due to our reliance on foreign money from China.
http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/RecessionDemRep.htm
That would be one of my sources which explained things in straight numbers for me. Again, not an expert on economics, so just putting it out there as validation of my own personal experiences.
When there are no heroes where will we turn?
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This country is made up of my kind, your kind and every kind, my point was simply were do you get the rite to call me call me and my kind evil? When you think about it you are prejudgeing me, we've never met so that makes you and your kind "BIGOTS" You think I'm evil becase I do'nt agree with you?
M'kay... refresh my memory - where exactly did I refer to you specifically as evil?
Let's clarify: Bush is evil. By extension, those who STILL support him are evil. You brought up the Nazis; at the beginning, the supporters of the Third Reich might not necessarily have been evil, just misguided in their nationalistic zeal ("Support Our Troops!" "Let's Roll" "These Colors Don't Run!" and so on) and misused by a manipulative regime. But after about 1943 or so, it should have been clearly evident for anyone with a free mind and a little critical thinking that Hitler and his Reich were truly, monstrously evil. Those who still ardently supported him at that point were, in fact, evil. To maintain otherwise is simply to blind yourself to the facts.
You maintain that FDR sent troops to Europe, thus making him evil by our logic. Small but important point of fact: FDR tried to stay OUT of WWII as long as possible, and American only entered the war in the European Theatre AFTER Germany had declared war on the United States. Look it up; it's all true. Japan attacked at Pearl Harbor, the US declared war on Japan, and because of treaties signed between Japan, Germany, and Italy (the "Axis" powers), Germany was obligated to declare war on the United States if the US declared war on either of the other Axis partners. Once war was declared on us by Germany, we sent over as many troops as we could.
So tell me again exactly when Iraq declared war on the United States, forcing us to send troops there? Hint: It wasn't on September 11, 2001.
Secondly, and I bring this up only to help you - run stuff through a spell-check now and again, PLEASE! The only thing that posting run-on sentences and horribly constructed contractions is going to do is make you appear less worthy of any kind of response, because it makes you appear less intelligent than you are.
A contraction is a shortening of two or more words into a single word. The letter or letters that are removed are replaced by an apostrophe (or sometimes more than one). The apostrophe replaces the removed letter or letters.
Examples:
I am = I'm
Does not = doesn't
Are not = aren't
Is not = isn't
I have not - I'ven't (although I've never heard anyone but Colin Firth use that one, as in, "I'ven't the foggiest" - I haven't the foggiest idea what you mean)
I point this out only because it's a consistent mis-usage by you on these boards, so I'm trying to clarify it in your mind. On another thread, you stated that having "only" a high school education, maybe you weren't smart enough to be here. Only you can judge whether you're smart enough to be here, but for the record, I have LESS than a high school education; I dropped out. But just because I quit school in no way means that I quit *LEARNING*. Grammar and punctuation were among my worst subjects. Luckily, I'm a voracious reader, so I tended to pick up a lot of the rules through extended exposure to them. Osmosis, you might say... :)
You're smart enough to be here, you're smart enough to debate issues, just try to communicate a little more clearly, and you'll tend to be taken a little more seriously.
Mike
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Bush's "ranch" fits none of the descriptions you gave, it is neither a small camp or farm, he has no animals and it is not a ranch style of house
I doubt anyone ever figured the President to be living in a place like this !
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