WOW - Lookit the DOW go !

POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Monday, August 11, 2008 21:55
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RUE

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:31 PM

Down, that is.

Baby Bush has quite a record. Consumer confidence at a record low, jobless rate up, home equity at the lowest rate since the 1940's, gas over $4 per gallon (thanks in part to), the US dollar weak internationally ...

... but CLINTON ! Wait, that doesn't work any more. Hmmm ............... but 9/11 !! Hmmm, that was 7 years ago, wasn't it.

I KNOW ! Bush has no control over the economy ! NONE !

All those economic policies he was so happy to institute. Pointless. Yeah, that works.

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

HERO

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:49 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
... but CLINTON ! Wait, that doesn't work any more. Hmmm ......... but 9/ 11 !! Hmmm, that was 7 years ago, wasn't it.

No. The "but Clinton" does not work. Its "because Clinton"...

Because Clinton:
...allowed Al Queda to become an international threat.
...failed to recognize the coming energy crisis that began with the electric shortages and gas price spikes in 1999 and 2000.
...failed to allocate money for Corps of Engineers plans to strengthen levies around New Orleans.
...failed to deal effectively with Iraq, Iran, Russia, or North Korea.
...allowed the accounting scandals that plagued Wall Street during Bush's first term.
...cut the military in half.
...decided that the CIA didn't really need people working there.
...fostered a culture of corruption by selling off everything from the Lincoln Bedroom to pardons.
...failed to capitalize on the opportunity for Middle East peace in the post-Gulf War period and then failed to defuse the renewed violence against Isreal (on the upside he did well in Northern Ireland.)
I'm not saying Bush is without fault. But he was starting from a big negative left by Clinton and has been plagued by some really bad luck...like Hurricane Katrina. Clinton left him with less then nothing.

H

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:59 PM

And the economy? How is Clinton at fault for the huge Federal deficit and the biggest income gap since 1929?

Funny, but the people who claim so much to want accountability are the ones who constantly shirk it.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

RUE

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:21 PM

HA HA HA HA HA

Hero, you'd be so funny if you weren't so lame. Don't quit your day job, eh ?

But 9/11 ! That was 7 friggin' years ago, dummy ! But Clinton ! 8 to 15 years ago !

Is that the best you can do ? Seriously, you need a brain.

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

HERO

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:13 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
But 9/11 ! That was 7 friggin' years ago, dummy ! But Clinton ! 8 to 15 years ago !

9/11 was the singular defining moment of the Bush Presidency and has dramatically altered every aspect of domestic, foriegn, military, social, and economic policy since it happened.

Unless you are arguing that the entire 9/11 plot and Al Queda began after January 20th of 2001, then an examination of how Clinton policy carried over into the Bush presidency is well taken.

We didn't simply wake up that Saturday morning and suddenly as Bush takes the oath all these problems magically appear. The buildings were just as vulnerable in 2000, the levies just as likely to breach, FEMA just as unprepared, the military just as understaffed (actually more so since the Bush military reforms were well underway by September), the oil just as in the ground, the refineries just as not built, the power plants just as insuffient, bridges just as stressed, and so on...

Bush was forced into a very reactionary policy as the failings of the Clinton administrated manifested themselves in crisis after crisis, some, like Katrina, unavoidable and most unpredictable.

H

RIGHTEOUS9

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:44 PM

bullshit

with each passing day certain issues become more relevant and more dire. To this day all Bush has done in response to those issues is to ignore them or to make them worse.

When they were telling him that an attack was eminent, he ignored it,

when they were telling him Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, he ignored that,

when they were telling him Katrina was going to be bad(remember brown's video conference with him?), he said he had it well in hand...he went to california, played the guitar,

when they were telling him the ice-caps were melting, he said there was no problem, no reason for treaties, no reason for regulations...etc...

when they were asking him how he was going to pay for this war and reconstruction, he and his people said it would come from Iraqi oil,

at the same time he gave all the rich people a major tax break--- I got nothing, my parents jointly got like 300, and people like him got 90,000 dollars, deepening our deficit. Want to tell me it worked at this point? That it trickled? Maybe into rival nations...

and on and on...

don't give us the line that this war was a reaction. That is pure B.S., and you know it too. It was a conveniant opportunity for war profiteering, and that objective has gone quite according to plan, for all those companies that helped to beat the drum that led to this fiasco.

It's bullshit to say that it's Clinton's fault that Bush has responded badly or not at all, or directly contradictory to, the problems at hand, over and over and over again.

But with you I always get the feeling that you know that...that this is more of a game than an actual belief...you choose your sides, you play the game and you move up in your tiered society...got it. Not that you don't have to believe your own bullshit just a little bit.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Righteous9:

don't give us the line that this war was a reaction. That is pure B.S., and you know it too. It was a conveniant opportunity for war profiteering, and that objective has gone quite according to plan, for all those companies that helped to beat the drum that led to this fiasco.

That is a point none will give up- that it was absolutely CRITICAL that Saddam be taken down lest he destroy the West's way of life. He was the next Hitler. And not just WMD were in his reach, he also had guidance systems, battleships & 600 million more troops...just we can't find those at the moment, either.
Man, I was quakin' my boots, lemme tell ya...

isall

RIGHTEOUS9

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:09 PM

His WMD is plain to see actually....

you thought that was the moon?

Deathstar!!!

If only the deathstar had oil....sigh

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Righteous9:

His WMD is plain to see actually....

you thought that was the moon?

Holy crap! LOL, you is as crazy as me!

LOLisall

GEEZER

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:34 PM

End of 2001, right after 9/11, the Dow was 10021.5. A low of 7286.27 came about a year after 9/11, on October 10, 2002. Today it's 12083.77.

Gas prices? Europe wishes they could get gas for $4.00 a gallon.

Unemployment? Lots of Europe wishes they could get down to 5.5%.

Hardly the end of the world.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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