'SEX' Ladies Gave Jones A Whipping !
POSTED BY: out2theblack
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 19:31
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Y'know, I wonder, how many people who are completely bashing SatC and calling them sluts--how many of them have actually seen the series and knows what they're talking about? Words are just words, and okay, even I would consider Samantha somewhat of a slut through most of the show (by definition, someone who sleeps with many people). But do I find her open sexuality liberating? Hell yes. Guys can be pimps and it's cool but girls can't be just as dominant and a lover of sex? Psh.
Why are people so heated (or at least warmed up enough to call them sluts) about a glorified chick flick? I don't get it.
--Faith
"I can't get it right...get it right...since I met you."
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Whoa!! Hold the phone here. Indiana Jones has grossed almost half a billion dollars worldwide (in 14 days), and Sex in the City just crept over the $100 million dollar mark worldwide (in 5 days). And folks are saying that Sex is "whipping" (pardon the pun) Indy? Boy, I'd like to get whipped like that! 
Everyone dies alone.
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Originally posted by JRC:
Whoa!! Hold the phone here. Indiana Jones has grossed almost half a billion dollars worldwide (in 14 days), and Sex in the City just crept over the $100 million dollar mark worldwide (in 5 days). And folks are saying that Sex is "whipping" (pardon the pun) Indy? Boy, I'd like to get whipped like that!
Somebody here is getting the point. And $26 mil of that was on Friday, leaving 74M in 4 days to show staying power....
Regarding the side topic, I will again try to reply if the site is working now. Yesterday's 3 or 4 replies i made did not apparently stick. I will try to paraphase the points I made.
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Tell me JSF, what is it about sexually empowered women that scares you so? And how does your brain manage to be so abusive of the SatC characters, yet carry a torch for the actress who plays the sexually free Kaylee Frye?
Really, as a fan of the workings of twisted psyches, I'm very curious as to how you make this work...
?? I had thought this had been mostly covered in the above posts.
I am a fan of Jewel, and also of the Kaylee character (sexually free, not a slut). Also her character on Davinci's Inquest, caught by her cop dad playing teen nookie hooky.
Also a fan of Kim Catrall, who unless I'm mistaken plays a sexually free character on S&tC. As well as many other sexually free characters in her career.
I am not a fan of characters (nor real people) who consider sex to be a weapon, manipulation tool, etc.
You may consider Inara to be "sexually empowered" as a sex merchant, but sexually free - i think not so much. I am not so much a fan of the Inara character.
I think Morena is a beautiful woman, and she has a very attractive figure. Therefore i consider it a shame that she was forced into horrific push-up bras to fake the figure Inara was supposed to have. But I sometimes wonder if this was an acting metaphor for the same shameful treatment of her character.
I do think every woman should have an orgasm per day - if she chooses (the world would be a better place).
regarding kaylee and Inara specifically - readers here are more familiar:
Kaylee does not looked thrilled at the prospect of sex with Jubal.
Kaylee does not seem to have a fling during BDS, after meeting Simon, who she pines for.
kaylee is surrounded by men/boys in Shindig, but her interest in the buffet clarifies her priorities.
Kaylee does not get it on with Tracey, Shindig boys, sly HoG boys, Dobson, jayne, Mal, or any of the other opport5unities she had? As long as Simon is not filling the void (ahem), she could consider them fair game. But if she did, she would not have done it to twist or connive her relations with Simon, mostly just so she could hav good sex - she would have been straighforward, honest.
i consider her "betwixt nethers" line in BDM to indicate celibacy during Firefly. if kaylee had used some slub to rankle Simon into a more frisky state, many viewers would have a poorer view of Kaylee, even tho we all know she is sexually free. Manipulation (or attempts) are the least favorable quality of women.
Can Inara be straight, honest with anybody regarding sex - other than technical discussion? How about Mal? I think not so much. yet slut would not be right for Inara, for Mal suggests she's a whore, and others mention "space hooker" which would not be the same as slut.
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Tawdry trash "entertainment" for a tawdry, demented society.
Bunch of air-headed women sitting around a restuarant table talking about how many times a week they have sex?...please...I can't fathom the originality!
Sarah Jessica running around in high fashion? Reminds me of Mal's line refering to a sheep walking on its' hind legs.
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Oh, this poor website, having so many problems! Hopefully this will post now...
JSF: Why the discussion/comparison of Inara versus Kaylee? I specifically asked about Kaylee versus Carrie Bradshaw and company, the ones you several times called sluts. I never mentioned Inara. Could it be that you haven't even seen S&tC? Hmm... You said: "Kim Catrall, who unless I'm mistaken plays a sexually free character on S&tC..." OK, it's pretty clear that you haven't even seen the show. And yet you judge the characters so freely? 
I think singate had it right: "A person who doesn't like something feels free to bash it mercilessly while they are willing to overlook or rationalize similar behavior from a character who is a part of something they do like. Then again that person may just be a part time misogynist."
Quote:Which characters are these? If you are referring to the S&tC ladies, please, offer an actual argument with evidence. And good luck with that, since you'd need to watch the show first.
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I am not a fan of characters (nor real people) who consider sex to be a weapon, manipulation tool, etc.
Quote:Hunh. Wow.
Kaylee does not looked thrilled at the prospect of sex with Jubal.
So, do you know a lot of women who, when faced with a large, armed, violent, mentally unhinged man who threatens to rape them, look thrilled? Cause you do seem to be suggesting that Kaylee's reaction to Jubal is out of the ordinary, enough that it makes her different from other women who (at other times) openly enjoy sex. To which I say: Cool! I didn't know people could post here from alternate realities!!! What plane of existence do you live on?
Quote:So, in S&tC, the character of Charlotte (Kristen Davis) who is favored by some viewers because she's the most classy and sweet and least "slutty" of the four, is very open about using sex to get men to commit to her. There are whole episodes based on how she strings men along. Sex on the first date ruins the chances of marriage - she argues this often. There are also episodes about how she considers giving in to odd fetishes she doesn't much like, just so that she can hold onto her man and maybe get that diamond ring and fancy New York wedding. To her credit, she doesn't tend to give in. But this is still sexual dishonesty and manipulation, no?
Manipulation (or attempts) are the least favorable quality of women.
On the other hand, Samantha Jones (Kim Catrall), the sex kitten of the show, rarely if ever asks for anything in return for sex. She doesn't try to hide what she wants, never tries to trick men or get anything out of them beside the obvious. She says: wanna do it? If he does, great. If not, she looks elsewhere. Absolutely no manipulation. Total and complete honesty.
According to your rules, Charlotte is the worst kind of woman there is, and Samantha is to be greatly admired. Hey, it's your rules!
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Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
regarding kaylee and Inara specifically - readers here are more familiar:
Kaylee does not looked thrilled at the prospect of sex with Jubal.
Kaylee does not seem to have a fling during BDS, after meeting Simon, who she pines for.
kaylee is surrounded by men/boys in Shindig, but her interest in the buffet clarifies her priorities.
Kaylee does not get it on with Tracey, Shindig boys, sly HoG boys, Dobson, jayne, Mal, or any of the other opport5unities she had? As long as Simon is not filling the void (ahem), she could consider them fair game. But if she did, she would not have done it to twist or connive her relations with Simon, mostly just so she could hav good sex - she would have been straighforward, honest.
i consider her "betwixt nethers" line in BDM to indicate celibacy during Firefly. if kaylee had used some slub to rankle Simon into a more frisky state, many viewers would have a poorer view of Kaylee, even tho we all know she is sexually free. Manipulation (or attempts) are the least favorable quality of women.
Can Inara be straight, honest with anybody regarding sex - other than technical discussion? How about Mal? I think not so much. yet slut would not be right for Inara, for Mal suggests she's a whore, and others mention "space hooker" which would not be the same as slut.
Wow JSF. You are clearly putting the character of Kaylee on a pedestal that should not be so high when compared to Inara's standing.
What the
! That Jubal thing was, as Mal4prez pointed out, just ridiculous and wrong. So wrong that it was ridiculous.Now for the other prospects you nominated for Kaylee:
Tracey was looking pretty cute to Kaylee (even while corpsified) before he was shot up and threatening her with a pistol. There wasn't much time between him coming to and the corupt feds finding Serenity. I don't know. If he had a couple days where Simon still could not dislodge his foot from his mouth he might have been in there.
In Shindig, her interest was in those strawberries. If you'll remember the first scene where we see Kaylee with some strawberries it was portrayed in a very, shall we say, fallacious manner. So the link between her enjoyment of food and her sensuality is very strongly established.
Besides, most of the dudes were old crusty stuffed shirts. What fun is that?How do you know she didn't try out one of the boy-whore (man-whores?)? She seemed really interested in them to me. My distinguished military service over seas has shown me that the right price will loosen a lot of moral fibers. Even those stitched together with marriage, children, and religion (not pretty to say and even harder to listen to but it's the truth). And the price doesn't get better than free and a cool mama-san like Nandi to boot.
Dobson?! That's another one that's ridiculous. Dobson fucking shot her through the stomach the evening they met. She didn't even have her pj's on!
Jayne? Jayne is way too mean for Kaylee. It's not exactly a facet of his personality that he hides.
Mal? That's kinda like pointing out she never talked about sex with her father.
But let us not forget about the dapper and suave Bester. Yeah that suck ass surfer dude mechanic that wouldn't know a blowtorch from a torque wrench. What exactly, in your mind, did that guy have to say other than, "Hey, you wanna see my engine?", before he was slamming sweet and non-slutty Kaylee up against the warm engine room bulkhead? What could have somebody that dim said? It couldn't have been much.
If you're going to call Inara slutty then you gotta throw in Kaylee from an objective point of view. It's not like I'm clinging to subtle clues here. She clearly exhibits promiscuous behavior and inclinations. Denying this and expecting others to agree is a little... what's the word...?
As for the sex-as-a-tool-for-manipulation thing you site. For sure that happens. A lot of guys (are you a guy... I just realized I
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As for Sex and the City. I've watched 1.5 episodes. I lumped it in with all those sex and relationship advice colmns women read. Most men wouldn't find it entertaining for that reason. I, however, found the whole "He's not that into you," thing really entertaining. That was amazing how women flocked around that little piece of advice. The dude that wrote that skinny little book about it doesn't have to work another day in his life. Sometimes the desparity between the male and female views of relationships does make it look like a miracle that sex ever happened in the first place.
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Well, Mr Black, I saw something on my favorite odd news site that I that would be right up your alley (since you keep an eye on all things in our actual sky!)
Sadly, It has nothing to do with Indiana Jones or the Sex and the City gals (unless their next movie is about it) but you did say the word SEX so....
Anyway, Virgin Galactic space tourism company has reported that they have had several requests by couples who want to be the first to have sex in space. Personally I think some astronauts woulda done that already, just not advertized...
Gee, that's one flight I'd like to see GET OFF the ground!!!
Yea-I just had to go there, ya know
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Weighing in without reading all the posts....
Indy 4: entertaining, enjoyable, not awesome.
I blame Lucas for the excessive prairie dogs in the beginning, the excessive monkeys in the trees in the middle, and the ending that left me thinking "I thought X-files 2 was coming out later this year."
I also Blame him for making me hate everything Star Wars related, despite how much I USED to love 4-6.
Sex and the city.... horrid tripe. The only person involved worth watching is Cynthia Nixon. I recall her from "The Manhattan Project". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project_%28film%29 Fun film. "Jenny, I love you Jenny. I want to be your wife." She's just not enough.
A man who walks the Earth.
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