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KENNEDY HAS A BRAIN TUMOR
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Saturday, June 14, 2008 05:36
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Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
See? You haven't PROVEN anything - you've merely given opinions.
You consider Olbermann a self-absorbed primadonna, yet consider O'Reilly an "entertainer" - they run exactly the same kind of shows! One has a bit of a left-wing bent, and one a decidedly right-wing bent, but they report on the same stories and they both spin them.
I know you think Faux News is the only one that "gets it right", but they've been caught lying more than Dan Rather. The only people who don't know that are people who only get their news from Faux News.
As for "treasonous" actions by the NY Times, they were treasonous because the White House ASKED them not to report the story? So if they merely ASK now, and you don't comply, it's treason? But in your book, outting a covert operative during a time of war is NOT treasonous, right? In your world - and Dick Nixon's - it's not a crime if the President does it.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Friday, May 23, 2008 1:07 PM
Quote:- I'll give you that, but it doesn't mean a damn thing when talking about the NEWS media, now does it. THAT is what I'm referring to, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, and the bulk of the print/ news paper media is decisively Left wing. Only FOX NEWS even tries to offer up an objective to 'right' slant.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
See? You haven't PROVEN anything - you've merely given opinions.
You consider Olbermann a self-absorbed primadonna, yet consider O'Reilly an "entertainer" - they run exactly the same kind of shows! One has a bit of a left-wing bent, and one a decidedly right-wing bent, but they report on the same stories and they both spin them.
[qutoe] I know you think Faux News is the only one that "gets it right", but they've been caught lying more than Dan Rather. The only people who don't know that are people who only get their news from Faux News.
No, they haven't. More Left wing spin.
As for "treasonous" actions by the NY Times, they were treasonous because the White House ASKED them not to report the story? So if they merely ASK now, and you don't comply, it's treason? But in your book, outting a covert operative during a time of war is NOT treasonous, right? In your world - and Dick Nixon's - it's not a crime if the President does it.
Mike
The White House didn't out any covert operatives, the Plames/Wilson's outted THEMSELVES. Joe Wilson lied, and that's been undeniably proven, so this whole fiasco about them is nothing but a colossal farce on their part to bring down the Administration.
As for the NYT ( again, a Liberal news paper ) running w/ a story which the President asks you NOT to run, why in the hell would they go against the President's wishes in matters of national security ? Even if the matter is a toss up, why not err on the side of security ? No rules or laws were being broken as is, but releasing the story only ended up striking a blow against those trying to fight the terrorist.
Listen, we could do this all day, rehashing the 1000's of cases which prove the news media in predominantly LEFT wing. It's a story which has been done ad nausium , but because I have a life, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise.
Best I can do for you now is to point to FOX NEWS , which rates #1 on cable for most watched network, and let you try to figure out the rest on your own.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Friday, May 23, 2008 1:26 PM
Quote:- I'll give you that, but it doesn't mean a damn thing when talking about the NEWS media, now does it. THAT is what I'm referring to, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, and the bulk of the print/ news paper media is decisively Left wing. Only FOX NEWS even tries to offer up an objective to 'right' slant.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
See? You haven't PROVEN anything - you've merely given opinions.
You consider Olbermann a self-absorbed primadonna, yet consider O'Reilly an "entertainer" - they run exactly the same kind of shows! One has a bit of a left-wing bent, and one a decidedly right-wing bent, but they report on the same stories and they both spin them.
[qutoe] I know you think Faux News is the only one that "gets it right", but they've been caught lying more than Dan Rather. The only people who don't know that are people who only get their news from Faux News.
No, they haven't. More Left wing spin.
As for "treasonous" actions by the NY Times, they were treasonous because the White House ASKED them not to report the story? So if they merely ASK now, and you don't comply, it's treason? But in your book, outting a covert operative during a time of war is NOT treasonous, right? In your world - and Dick Nixon's - it's not a crime if the President does it.
Mike
The White House didn't out any covert operatives, the Plames/Wilson's outted THEMSELVES. Joe Wilson lied, and that's been undeniably proven, so this whole fiasco about them is nothing but a colossal farce on their part to bring down the Administration.
As for the NYT ( again, a Liberal news paper ) running w/ a story which the President asks you NOT to run, why in the hell would they go against the President's wishes in matters of national security ? Even if the matter is a toss up, why not err on the side of security ? No rules or laws were being broken as is, but releasing the story only ended up striking a blow against those trying to fight the terrorist.
Listen, we could do this all day, rehashing the 1000's of cases which prove the news media in predominantly LEFT wing. It's a story which has been done ad nausium , but because I have a life, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise.
Best I can do for you now is to point to FOX NEWS , which rates #1 on cable for most watched network, and let you try to figure out the rest on your own.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Friday, May 23, 2008 1:28 PM
Quote:- I'll give you that, but it doesn't mean a damn thing when talking about the NEWS media, now does it. THAT is what I'm referring to, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, and the bulk of the print/ news paper media is decisively Left wing. Only FOX NEWS even tries to offer up an objective to 'right' slant.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
See? You haven't PROVEN anything - you've merely given opinions.
You consider Olbermann a self-absorbed primadonna, yet consider O'Reilly an "entertainer" - they run exactly the same kind of shows! One has a bit of a left-wing bent, and one a decidedly right-wing bent, but they report on the same stories and they both spin them.
[qutoe] I know you think Faux News is the only one that "gets it right", but they've been caught lying more than Dan Rather. The only people who don't know that are people who only get their news from Faux News.
Caught 'lying' ? By who... Media Matters? The Daily KOS ? Nice try.
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As for "treasonous" actions by the NY Times, they were treasonous because the White House ASKED them not to report the story? So if they merely ASK now, and you don't comply, it's treason? But in your book, outting a covert operative during a time of war is NOT treasonous, right? In your world - and Dick Nixon's - it's not a crime if the President does it.
Mike
The White House didn't out any covert operatives, the Plames/Wilson's outted THEMSELVES. Joe Wilson lied, and that's been undeniably proven, so this whole fiasco about them is nothing but a colossal farce on their part to bring down the Administration.
As for the NYT ( again, a Liberal news paper ) running w/ a story which the President asks you NOT to run, why in the hell would they go against the President's wishes in matters of national security ? Even if the matter is a toss up, why not err on the side of security ? No rules or laws were being broken as is, but releasing the story only ended up striking a blow against those trying to fight the terrorist. It's simply nonsensical.
Listen, we could do this all day, rehashing the 1000's of cases which prove the news media in predominantly LEFT wing. It's a story which has been done ad nausium , but because I have a life, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise.
Best I can do for you now is to point to FOX NEWS , which rates #1 on cable for most watched network, and let you try to figure out the rest on your own.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Friday, May 23, 2008 6:07 PM
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Originally posted by Geezer:
What are you poor reople going to do after January when you don't have Bush to hate on any more?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Throw a party.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Friday, May 23, 2008 6:13 PM
Hey, 'Rap - Hit “Reply” again… 
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I'll give you that, but it doesn't mean a damn thing when talking about the NEWS media, now does it. THAT is what I'm referring to, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, and the bulk of the print/ news paper media is decisively Left wing. Only FOX NEWS even tries to offer up an objective to 'right' slant.
Okay, I can play the same game. None of your assertions mean a damn thing. They're just more right-wing spin. You haven't proven anything, just repeated the same tired talking points again and again.
I know you don't think anyone in the Administration outed Valerie Plame, but you DO remember Scooter Libby, don't you? He was actually convicted in the case, so I'd say SOMEONE in the Administration had something to do with it. To say otherwise, or to say it's "proven" or "undeniable fact" that it didn't happen is just a lie. Another lie by the right - imagine that!
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As for the NYT ( again, a Liberal news paper ) running w/ a story which the President asks you NOT to run, why in the hell would they go against the President's wishes...?
Why go against the President's wishes? Because he's the President, not the Emporer or God. Tell me, was it treasonous of Woodward and Bernstein to report on the Watergate case? Was it treasonous to report on the Monica Lewinski scandal, even though the President wished you wouldn't?
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Best I can do for you now is to point to FOX NEWS , which rates #1 on cable for most watched network, and let you try to figure out the rest on your own.
Ah, so on the day when MSNBC passes them in the ratings, will you then bow down, admit your mistakes, and sanctify MSNBC as the only "right" news network, simply because they're tops in ratings? C'mon, now - COMMIT to it! If MSNBC surpasses Fox News in the ratings, you will proclaim them the ultimate arbiter of all truth and knowledge. Take the bet. I triple-dog dare you. You know in your heart that it will never happen, so what have you got to lose?
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No rules or laws were being broken as is, but releasing the story only ended up striking a blow against those trying to fight the terrorist.
So you say. More right-wing spin. "Torture isn't torture any more", and all that. And, by the way, are you sure we're only fighting one single terrorist? You keep referring to us as fighting "The Terrorist" - I thought there were supposed to be more terrorists than just the one...
You will automatically and without fail dismiss ANY news story that comes from what you perceive as "liberal" media. Yet you would ask that we not do the same to YOUR favored news outlet. If it came from the New York Times, it's automatically treasonous, whereas if the exact same story and coverage would have come from Faux News, you'd instantly accept it as fact and patriotic vigilance.
You have absolutely no objectivity. You won't listen to facts, only to the opinions reported by Faux News, so why should I make any effort to accept their views, when you won't do the same courtesy to my chosen news outlets? I get my news from a variety of sources - NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, NPR, and others. All have their little slants, but if you pick up the stories from many different angles, you tend to get a better idea what the real picture is.
One thing I *WON'T* be doing is getting my "news" from Faux News. Let's see... O'Really insists that there are NO HOMELESS VETERANS and that John Edwards is making it all up, and then, when he's faced with the facts - and a bunch of actual homeless vets, he tries to deny that he ever said it, or that he meant it. And that's the way it always goes with those bloviating morons at Fox.
PS: "24" is NOT a documentary. It's fiction. You realize that, don't you?
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Listen, we could do this all day, rehashing the 1000's of cases which prove the news media in predominantly LEFT wing. It's a story which has been done ad nausium...
So, because the as
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Friday, May 23, 2008 6:14 PM
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Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
What are you poor reople going to do after January when you don't have Bush to hate on any more?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Throw a party.
And how. I threw one when Nixon died, and another when Reagan died. Bush leaving office should be good for at least as big a bash!
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Friday, May 23, 2008 6:15 PM
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not me whose playing w/ the numbers. I'm just dealin in the facts. Never said W didn't expand Gov't or raise the debt, now did I ? Nope. But the economy did grow after the recession that W inherited. Grew every quarter since his tax cuts went into effect.
Yep. Those numbers totally support your point, as long as you ignore pesky little things like context, and staggering dept and deficits.
Other than that, it's peachy.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Friday, May 23, 2008 6:19 PM
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Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not me whose playing w/ the numbers. I'm just dealin in the facts. Never said W didn't expand Gov't or raise the debt, now did I ? Nope. But the economy did grow after the recession that W inherited. Grew every quarter since his tax cuts went into effect.
Yep. Those numbers totally support your point, as long as you ignore pesky little things like context, and staggering dept and deficits.
Other than that, it's peachy.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
Well... YEAH! You're finally getting it - in 'Crappy's world, you ignore anything that doesn't make your guy look better right here and right now, and the world is a pinker shade of rosy! Besides, debt and deficits? Those sound like the kinds of things that other people should deal with; let's just push them off the table for a few more years, then they won't matter anymore.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Friday, May 23, 2008 6:20 PM
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Almost every major news paper - Liberal
CBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC = Liberal.
I am still amazed by the insistance by righties that the corporate-controlled media, which has been glancing over or ignore every flaw of McCain, yet spend weeks trumping on the same tired Wright story, is "Librul".
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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