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Would the Bryan Singer or Hatch Battlestar be better

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:17 PM

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http://www.colonialfanforce.org/Pages/introduction.htm
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Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:08 PM

I am another that is more than happy with the version we got, although I do think that Singer's version would have been interesting to see.

As for Hatch and Larson I think they may have been stuck too much in the late 70's style of show. They would have still appeared dated and cliched even though they would have been made now. I think a lot of viewers would have been put off by this as some do think of the original show as a bit lame and laughable.

Guess we'll never know.



"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Friday, May 23, 2008 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by lwaves:
As for Hatch and Larson I think they may have been stuck too much in the late 70's style of show. They would have still appeared dated and cliched even though they would have been made now.



Plus, the problem with a continuation is that it wasn't that big a show in the first place - I suspect that outside the die-hard fans, few people would have remembered the plot and character details. Actually - I've only seen the pilot 'movie' and a sequel that got a theatrical release in the UK plus the odd episode from when it got shown in some graveyard slot (and enough of * not to want any more).

If they'd wanted to sell it outside the convention-goers then they'd have had to recap so much of the backstory and character development that they might as well have re-booted.

(* You know - that show that came *after* the original BSG and *before* the new BSG and had a date in the title. I will not utter its name here!)



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Saturday, May 24, 2008 2:19 PM

The reimagined Eick, Moore show had great potential. It worked great for a season or two but would soon fall flat on its face, I think part of the reason might be Eick/Moore were never fans of the series and just accepted the production gig as another way to earn an easy paycheck. Eick and Moore gave us a great series for 20 or so episodes but I think there might be some truth behind the accusations of "rip-off"

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A lot of people criticized the original BSG for being too clichéd or too G rated but ignored the fact that BSG was a dark premise that could have been far better than it was. It was produced in the 1970s where censorship rules were stricter than they are today.

Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto set out to revive BSG and return it to its dark roots. Unfortunately it was cancelled when it was so close to being filmed. David Eick with Ron Moore took control of the project and went for the re-imagining course instead.

Let us compare and contrast and look at the similarities between Singer/DeSanto and Moore. Note -- The Adama/Orin references meant that Singer and DeSanto kept re-tweaking the character back and forth from Adama to Orin.

Singer & DeSanto -- Darker, grittier than the original series and not family friendly nor a kiddie flick.
Moore -- Darker, grittier than the original series and not family friendly nor a kiddie flick.

Singer & DeSanto -- Human Cylons infiltrating the Colonials. Anyone could be a Cylon.
Moore -- Human Cylons infiltrating the Colonials. Anyone could be a Cylon.

Singer & DeSanto -- Newly advanced CGI Cylon Centurions that would have been featured in action sequences.
Moore -- Newly advanced CGI Cylon Centurions that were only featured in two scenes and basically stood in the background and did nothing. (Damn you Sci-Fi. I wanted to see them in action.)

Singer & DeSanto -- Kept the origins of the Cylons intact but gave them a new semi Borg-like / X-Files black oil motive due to a Cylon Civil War. However, that story arc would have most likely ended by the finale of the first season, so the Cylons could have reverted back to their old ways.
Moore -- Didn't bother to watch the entire TOS, therefore couldn't understand the Cylon's origins nor motives (by just watching the short version of the pilot) so he re-imagined them to be machines turning on their makers.

Singer & DeSanto -- Female President Mara, and always at odds with Commander Adama/Orin.
Moore -- Female President Roslin, and always at odds with Commander Adama.

Singer & DeSanto -- Galactica to be decommissioned because the Cylons had not been heard from in over 20 years.
Moore -- Galactica to be decommissioned because the Cylons had not been heard from in over 40 years.

Singer & DeSanto -- (Dr Wilker ?) unintentionally betrayed the colonies.
Moore -- Dr Baltar unintentionally betrayed the colonies.

Singer & DeSanto -- Starbuck, a manic depressive drunk, breaks free from his slump and becomes a hero upon the Cylon attack.
Moore -- Tigh, a manic depressive drunk, breaks free from his slump and becomes a hero upon the Cylon attack.

Singer & DeSanto -- The Cylons return and ambush New Kobol with the new advanced Cylon Raiders and Missiles from the Basestar in a scene that could have been compared to such films as Armageddon or Deep Impact. Also newly enhanced Centurions would later launch a ground assault.
Moore -- The Cylons return and ambush Kobol except no Cylons are seen (Damn that Sci-Fi's tight budget) so instead the viewers are treated to mushroom clouds in the background and a semi-spectacular scene at Baltar's apartment. Also the Holocaust and destruction of the fleet was dialogue driven.

Singer & DeSanto -- Space battle Scenes -- Traditional Science Fiction with fast moving ships and sounds that would make your surround sound speakers roar.
Moore -- Realistic Science Fiction Experiment with semi/slow moving ships and no sound surround is necessary because there are little to no sounds (for realism purposes.)

Singer & DeSanto -- After th

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Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:47 PM

Hatch should have got BG. I miss the real Boomer and Starbuck. I can't stand Stardoe.. Tigh does good. Baltar is a young version of the old one. Other than that I really don't give a frak. Its just the only space show to watch. BSG does take even if its a little piece of the old series in each episode. Maybe Dr Z will show up to give advice to Adama so he can find earth.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Monday, May 26, 2008 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by participant:

It might be wrong to say DeSanto's BSG would have been better or worse,
but thanks to Skiffy we will never know.




goof article from a battlestar blogger on this whole 'GINO' business
http://positiveliberty.com/2007/03/battlestar-blogging.html

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On this point, I commend Bill Gordon’s essay “GINO,” in the recently published So Say We All: An Unauthorized Collection of Thoughts And Opinions on Battlestar Galactica. Gordon is a resolute fan of the original BSG, who attacks virtually every aspect of the new series, sometimes unreasonably. But he makes solid points when he says that the new series “focuses intently upon the very worst of humanity. It is a fleeting, small-scale, wholly depressing depiction of man’s darkest qualities…that revels in the themes of deceit, paranoia, and betrayal.” Rather than seeking to portray the heroic qualities that are the redeeming character trait of mankind—and that are the answer to Adama’s Challenge—the new show “offers what its producers purport to be a mirror image of contemporary American society: a civilization unable to keep its pants on or [to] rise above its own backstabbing greed, avarice, or lust (both for sex and power) long enough to focus its pursuit on a lie.” Adama’s attitude toward humanity is ambiguous, of course, and Gordon understandably fears that this ambiguity is hopeless. His constant brooding over humanity’s weaknesses—and, worse, his outright lie to his people in pretending to know where Earth is—reveals that he “has no faith in a people that ‘still commit murder because of greed, spite, and jealousy’ and visit all of our sins upon our children.’ A leader who has no faith in his people can certainly never expect his people to place faith in him.” (Emphasis added.)

Gordon makes another point that’s well worth emphasizing. If the show is intended, as so many claim, as an analysis of the post Sept. 11 world, then what exactly is the conclusion we are supposed to draw? If Adama really believes that the terrorizing, obsessively monotheistic and anti-secular Cylons, being humanity’s creation, are some sort of righteous punishment for our wickedness, then

we have no choice but to conclude that [Adama’s] words reflect Moore and Eick’s perception of American society. The clear assertion is that “we” created the terrorists that took the lives of thousands of innocents in the cowardly attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Despite Moore and Eick’s backpedaling and protests that [BSG] is “just a television show,” the fact remains that one of Moore’s documented regrets regarding…[Adama’s Challenge] is that his favorite line, “We are the flawed creation,” was cut from the aired version…. It is a line that speaks volumes regarding the intentions of the writer.

If Americans are worthy of victory over Islamofascism it is not because we are more pious, or that we reject so-called materialistic greed to a sufficient degree; it is not that the Islamofascists’ minor premise is incorrect. It is that our philosophical principles—as articulated in the Declaration of Independence, and as honestly cherished and pursued by millions of Americans every day, despite whatever backsliding and deception we undeniably have practiced—are right and are better than theirs. Likewise, if humanity is worthy of victory over the Cylons, it is not because we give fair trials to traitors or that we regret and feel guilt over the beating of prisoners, or that we, like Apollo, muddle through a universe of seeming incomprehensibility, cramped by constant anxiety and bouts of bleary, tear-soaked compassion—it is because human beings are free, creative, brilliant works of nature who possess something great and powerful within themselves. In this last season particularly we have seen plenty of the former, and very little of the latter.

But this is not my primary complaint. I relish challenging and intelligently written television, even when it is contrary to my own philosophical beliefs. If Moore, et al., really be

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Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by participant:


It might be wrong to say DeSanto's BSG would have been better or worse,
but thanks to Skiffy we will never know.



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Sunday, June 1, 2008 11:28 AM

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Sunday, June 8, 2008 11:34 AM

The finale for the DeSanto BSG sounded amazing

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Sunday, July 27, 2008 8:10 PM

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9/11 Killed Bryan Singer's Battlestar Galactica


http://io9.com/5028917/911-killed-bryan-singers-battlestar-galactica

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