Why not invade Burma?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Sunday, March 29, 2026 18:27
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For citizen, HOW DARE YOU. It is you sir who puts vinegar on his freedom fries.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Chrisisall, HOW DOUBLE DARE YOU. You have forgotten about JOHN PAUL JONES the man who stop the 500 years of rule by the Royal Navy of Britannica.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Citizen please, England did not need America's help. Battle of Britain won the war HOLY HA HA. Is that why my grandmother and mother were running down the streets to bomb shelters in Liverpool after the skies were cleared. Yeh my grandfather loved the beach at Dunkirk.. And the French Navy blockaded the Royal Navy from resupplying Yorktown. The war was tied in the North GW owned the country and cities were held by the Brits. When they came down to Dixie is when it was over for them. They won at Charleston and Camden from then on the Scotch-Irish of the south held them at Cowpens, Kingsmountain, Guildford Courthouse, and trapped the mighty British Army at Yorktown. They were beaten even when they had won. Worn out I would say from the Overmountain men of the Smokies and Blue Ridge. Then Andy Jackson in 1812 took care of them with the help of the Cherokees down in Na Orleans. Yeh Yeh ya'll burn our capital. We were in the middle of remodeling anyhoo.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Historically, our military plans in South Asia have gone so well!
I think it would be a mistake to confuse Burma with Vietnam. Burma is far more likely to resemble the Phillipines in the long run. In the short run Burma is so undeveloped and damaged that it would take well to Colonization, just as it did in the 1800s. Done right we could make them as stable and developed as many other nations in the region.
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And why would we need any new air and naval bases in the area to support our operations in the Gulf? Isn't that one already over?
You confusing "operations in the Gulf" with the recent Gulf conflicts. I note for the record that America has had a military presence in the Gulf since our WW2 occupation of Persia. Examination of a map will show you that Diego Garcia is not a suitable support base...its very, very far to the south and far away from shipping lanes, making it perfect as a base for prepositioned equipment and long range bombers, but not suitable to support a naval task force in the Gulf, Red Sea, or northern India Ocean.
A base in Burma would sit astride major shipping lanes leading to and from the Gulf to the Pacific Rim. It would serve to suppress the very serious pirate problem in the area and give support to Naval and Air units deploying from the Western United States into the region.
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And what exactly are you planning on doing with China, militarily speaking, that would involve us needing bases in the area?
I would note that the US is planning to fight China should China decide to invade Taiwan.
Recently there are reports of new Chinese bases:
http://www.centralchronicle.com/20080520/2005302.htm
These bases are a step in China's long range plan to build a Navy capable of contesting control of the South China sea.
In the event of war we cannot rely on Japanese support, especially given the China's nuclear arsenal. Should Japan and the Phillipines balk at war we would be forced to support our operations in a Taiwan conflict from bases much further away. Our Aircraft carriers would be within the range of China's land based aviation and without land based fighter support of their own. That would place us at a disadvantage that may not be made up for by our technological superiority.
Seas in the region are shallow. While American submarines are masters of the deep, diesel subs are most effective in shallow waters, and China has some that are as good as any out there today. And they have a LOT more that are anywhere from ok to crap. American subs would lose their best advantages...speed, manuaverability, and quiet advantages. All it would take would be one good sub attack to sink and American carrier and suddenly we're stuck fighting this war with unescorted long range bombers and a few half blind subs with one hand behind their backs.
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They realize they have problems, but they don't necessarily want outside intervention in those problems; they'd prefer to handle them themselves, possibly with our support, but not our direct intervention.
Wow, your speaking on behalf of Burma. Hell, I can do that. Food, water, shelter, medicine, safety from the crazy guys with the guns who keep taking their food, water, shelter, and medicine...give them that and they wont give a damn what flag you fly over their heads.
H
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
For citizen, HOW DARE YOU. It is you sir who puts vinegar on his freedom fries.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
He knows what to do when the chips are down.
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Ah an attempt at subtle humor, its just that kind of attitude that won the cold war. This is no place for that.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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give them that and they wont give a damn what flag you fly over their heads.
Wanna bet? Wanna bet with YOUR LIFE for once, instead of betting the lives of thousands of your countrymen who are braver and better than you?
The Brits gave us Colonials food, water, and shelter over our heads - why then did we care what flag they flew over our heads?
You seem to have this batshit notion that other people don't have or deserve the right of self-determination that you SWEAR we have by birth. And once again you're trying to justify inflicting democracy on a nation from the barrel of a gun. Tell me again how you're any better than their current crop of oppressors...
Mike
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Quote:This is true, IMO also.
Originally posted by Hero:
Food, water, shelter, medicine, safety from the crazy guys with the guns who keep taking their food, water, shelter, and medicine...give them that and they wont give a damn what flag you fly over their heads.
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The Brits gave us Colonials food, water, and shelter over our heads - why then did we care what flag they flew over our heads?
I note for the record that Americans were largely self sufficient and until the absue of British taxation authority they were largely loyal to the Crown.
A family whose home is destroyed, with no food, no job, no prospects and with children to support would be grateful for help. Once basic survival is assured THEN and only then do they consider larger question of philosophy and govt. Thats why govts like the one in Burma persist. They used armed violence to strictly control the necessities of life and life itself giving the people no real opportunity to make a choice.
By its very nature one cannot impose Democracy from the barrel of a gun...Democracy in Burma would mean removing the gun from their heads.
I note for the record that I am not one who has EVER proposed the invasion of Burma. That role was undertaken by liberals around the world seeking to solve a massive humanitarian crisis. I merely acknowledge that there are legitimate strategic advantages to such an undertaking. In this regard one can draw a distinction with failed humanitarian-based military actions such as Somalia and Rwanda, both of which were colossal failures.
Burma has approx 55 million people making it approximately the same as California and Florida put together. No point here...just stating a fact.
H
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Quote:I don't eat Fries, freedom or otherwise, Frenchy.
Originally posted by PirateCat:
For citizen, HOW DARE YOU. It is you sir who puts vinegar on his freedom fries.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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