Why not invade Burma?
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Quote:RAAAWWWWGHHHHH!! *cHoMp*
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Let's see - dog pile and personal insults. Why am I not surprised?
I'll try hitting all the big points, but I may miss a few...
Possible UN or US invasion of Burma ... I don't support that. I doubt it will happen.
The French ... Their assistance during the American Rev War was important, but not necessary. The colonies would have eventually become independent. It would have taken longer - as I mentioned in my first post in this thread. Maybe alot longer. Glad it went the way it did.
Iraq ... What we are doing in Iraq now is working. American, coalition and Iraqi casualties are trending downward. The level of IED activity is down. The Iraqi gov is exercising control over more & more of the nation. Sunni & Shia are working together with IA forces against terrorist threats. This is all true. Check around. It's easy to find the truth if you look a little - I won't do your research for you.
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How many died in the Iran/Iraq war? How many Iraqi citizens were murdered at his hands over the past few decades?
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Fewer than the number of Iraqis who've been murdered since the US-led invasion.
Your statements about the casualty levels are simply incorrect. The number for the Iran/Iraq war is generally quoted at 1 to 1.5 million. The numbers for the current conflict are far below that - 90K Iraqi deaths is the number that is generally accepted.
Equating Israeli defense of their nation with Palestinian terrorist attacks is beneath further comment.
Also - Just find a Soldier or Marine and ask them how things are going in Iraq. I'll tell you what you'll hear ... It's a crappy job that they are doing, but the situation now is much improved over their last deployment. Do they think things are headed in the right direction now? YES. Do they wish they were home instead? You bet! Are they on good terms with the overwhelming majority of Iraqi folks? Yep! Are the Good Guys winning? Yep (The Good Guys are us, by the way.)
As for going in the first place ... in retrospect, we should have gone in harder and with more. We should not have completely disbanded the Iraqi Army. We should not have De-Bathified the nation so rapidly. The intelligence organizations of every nation involved were convinced that Hussein had WMD's. All were concerned that he would sell or give them away to Jihadists...that would be bad. So, we went. To risk otherwise could have been catastrophic.
As for the folks doing the name calling - that sort of thing doesn't help your position in any way.
It's clear that I'm not going to change any minds here. It's also clear that I'm in the overwhelming minority. What should also be clear is that I'm not about to alter my positions on anything.
It's not easy being right all the time...and I speak from experience.
So, lets just agree to disagree. This will be my last post in this thread.
Let's be Bad Guys...
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Quote:You said something some people don't agree with, those people disagreed with you, if you don't want people to disagree with you, don't post. Calling it a 'dog-pile' is emotive crap.
Originally posted by HavocMan:
Let's see - dog pile and personal insults. Why am I not surprised?
Quote:If you say so. Britain didn't need America's help during the Second World War either, it would have just taken longer, maybe a lot longer.
The French ... Their assistance during the American Rev War was important, but not necessary. The colonies would have eventually become independent. It would have taken longer - as I mentioned in my first post in this thread. Maybe alot longer. Glad it went the way it did.
Quote:Actually they aren't, this is trotted out every single time, and there's no evidence to support it. In fact the evidence is that deaths are increasing.
Iraq ... What we are doing in Iraq now is working. American, coalition and Iraqi casualties are trending downward.
Quote:Are you making this up as you go along?
The level of IED activity is down. The Iraqi gov is exercising control over more & more of the nation.
Quote:Ahh, I see the problem. We're talking about the Iraq in reality, not the one from "Avalon and other Fairytale nations". Really, I have no idea where you're getting this stuff, I have looked for information, and nothing I've seen even remotely supports this.
Sunni & Shia are working together with IA forces against terrorist threats. This is all true. Check around. It's easy to find the truth if you look a little - I won't do your research for you.
Quote:Yeah, you can't really support a US Anti-Iraq stance off the back of actions taken with the full material and political support of the US. The US didn't give a shit about those deaths when they happened, you can't drag them up now.
Your statements about the casualty levels are simply incorrect. The number for the Iran/Iraq war is generally quoted at 1 to 1.5 million. The numbers for the current conflict are far below that - 90K Iraqi deaths is the number that is generally accepted.
Quote:Simplifying the whole situation down to "Israeli good, Palestinian bad" should be beneath further comment.
Equating Israeli defense of their nation with Palestinian terrorist attacks is beneath further comment.
Quote:Or we could really ask soldiers, rather than hand waving and insultingly saying "the soldiers agree with me, so there!"
Also - Just find a Soldier or Marine and ask them how things are going in Iraq. I'll tell you what you'll hear ... It's a crappy job that they are doing, but the situation now is much improved over their last deployment. Do they think things are headed in the right direction now? YES. Do they wish they were home instead? You bet! Are they on good terms with the overwhelming majority of Iraqi folks? Yep! Are the Good Guys winning? Yep (The Good Guys are us, by the way.)
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My name is Donald Hudson Jr. I have been serving our country’s military actively for the last three years. I am currently deployed to Baghdad on Forward Operating Base Loyalty, where I have been for the last four and a half months.
I came here as part of the first wave of this so called "troop surge", but so far it has effectively done nothing to quell insurgent violence. I have seen the rise in violence between the Sunni and Shiite. This country is in the middle of a civil war that has been on going since the seventh century.
Why are we here when this country still to date does not want us here? Why does our president’s personal agenda consume him so much, that he can not pay attention to what is really going on here?
Let me tell you a story. On May 10, I was out on a convoy mission to move barriers from a market to a joint security station. It was no different from any other night, except the improvised explosive device that hit our convoy this time, actually pierced through the armor of one of our trucks. The truck was immediately engulfeNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Because Burma, like Iowa and Belgium, does not exist!
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Quote:I rarely do this, but here goes.
Originally posted by HavocMan:
As for going in the first place ... in retrospect, we should have gone in harder and with more.
The intelligence organizations of every nation involved were convinced that Hussein had WMD's.
So, we went. To risk otherwise could have been catastrophic.
The following assessment is in regard to this issue only, and not to be taken as an overall judgement of every other facet of one's existence.
You're a frakkin' idiot.
Succinct Chrisisall
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90K Iraqi deaths is the number that is generally accepted.
Generally accepted by whom? Several reports have put those numbers quite a bit higher - as many as 600-650k Iraqi deaths.
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Equating Israeli defense of their nation with Palestinian terrorist attacks is beneath further comment.
Why is it "beneath comment"? Because the Israelis are "defending their nation" whereas the Palestinians no longer have a nation to defend, because it was taken away from them and given to the Israelis? If the Palestinians were "defending their nation", would it be less terrorism and more "freedom fighting"? One man's Contra is another man's death squad, y'know...
I'm not saying I *agree* with the Palestinians; I'm just saying that they just might have a legitimate beef, and no legitimate way to air that beef. It's part of how terrorists are made - you take away everything they have, and any form of redress for wrongs done to them, and then you act surprised when they decided they have nothing to lose but their lives, so they may as well make a statement by their death...
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Also - Just find a Soldier or Marine and ask them how things are going in Iraq. I'll tell you what you'll hear ... It's a crappy job that they are doing, but the situation now is much improved over their last deployment. Do they think things are headed in the right direction now? YES. Do they wish they were home instead? You bet! Are they on good terms with the overwhelming majority of Iraqi folks? Yep! Are the Good Guys winning? Yep (The Good Guys are us, by the way.)
I've talked to several, all of whom have told me that it's a clusterfuck from top to bottom, with no clear rules of engagement and no organized plan for dealing with anything.
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As for going in the first place ... in retrospect, we should have gone in harder and with more. We should not have completely disbanded the Iraqi Army. We should not have De-Bathified the nation so rapidly. The intelligence organizations of every nation involved were convinced that Hussein had WMD's. All were concerned that he would sell or give them away to Jihadists...that would be bad. So, we went. To risk otherwise could have been catastrophic.
Bullshit. That's just pure, unadulterated bullshit, and it's been spread far and wide by the same people who told you that Saddam had anything at all to do with 9/11. Saddam was far too greedy to "give them away", and he'd certainly never give them to "Jihadists" - he was far too secular for that! What most people (or at least most Republicans and Neo-Cons) can't figure out, to this day, is that Saddam and Osama are about as ideologically close to each other as Hitler and the Pope - they might both claim to believe in sort of the same god, but that's about the end of it. As people, they are essentially polar opposites. To put Saddam and the fundamentalist Muslims in the same room with each other would be like putting matter and anti-matter together - catastrophic results indeed!
And I love how many do-overs you want (not going in so soft, not dismantling the army, etc.), and then claim how it's not easy being right all the time. By my count, you've yet to be right even once - and even a stopped clock is right twice a day!
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The intelligence organizations of every nation involved were convinced that Hussein had WMD's.
Not true. Look into it; that's been debunked time and again. The only people who still believe it are, apparently, George W. Bush and those of his followers who still have their heads buried in the sand. Check into it - I'm not going to do your research for you.
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It's clear that I'm not going to change any minds here. It's also clear that I'm in the overwhelming minority. What should also be clear is that I'm not about to alter my positions on anything.
Well, at least we got THAT cleared up. And you know what they say about a closed mind, right?
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It's not easy being right all the time...and I speak from experience.
Ummmmm... Yeahh
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Quote:I think that Osama and Saddam were rather less close than Hitler and the ex-Hitler Youth Pope.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
What most people (or at least most Republicans and Neo-Cons) can't figure out, to this day, is that Saddam and Osama are about as ideologically close to each other as Hitler and the Pope - they might both claim to believe in sort of the same god, but that's about the end of it.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Don't think for a moment that France did anything for us out of pure altruism.
Maybe not then, but ask the question of where the Statue of Liberty came from...
As long as it's there, I tend to refrain from bashing the French so much.
-F
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Don't think for a moment that France did anything for us out of pure altruism.
Maybe not then, but ask the question of where the Statue of Liberty came from...
As long as it's there, I tend to refrain from bashing the French so much.
-F
Oh, absolutely! For an awful lot of things, I tend to give the French a bit of a "free pass". Not with the whole Vichez France thing in WWII, or the Citroen 2CV, or the Renault "Le Car", but MOST things... :)
Mike
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