And only the rising force of Islam will prevail
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Sunday, May 3, 2026 22:41
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Quote:Neither do I, I just don't live in the world where every Muslim is out to get me, torturing them is ok, and George Bush is the second coming of Christ. Now that's a fantasy, but many of it's believers see it as realism...
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No.I'm just a realist, and refuse to live in a fantasy land where all cultures and everyone is equally happy, friendly and full of loving life.
Quote:You're the one who throws childish temper-tantrums when someone doesn't agree with you that George Bush is the second coming of Christ, here to eradicate all Muslims from the face of the Earth. Not all Muslims are terrorists, not even a seizable percentage, and it upsets YOUR apple cart when I correctly point that out.
The real world ain't like that, not in the least. And it upsets your apple cart when I correctly label the islamo fascists for what they are.
Quote:No, I call you a bigot because you make statements that are clearly designed to say all or nearly all Muslims (actually I seem to remember a thread where you out-right said "it's not all Muslims, but it is most") are evil terrorists, which is bigoted, not to mention stuff about any other country and population on Earth outside the United States. It really is you painting them all with a single brush, just because you then try to make yourself sound more reasonable, by attempting to retroactively change the meaning of your sentences, and the whole English language, doesn't change that.
You call me 'bigoted' because YOU don't like it when groups of folks are painted all one color. Well, guess what..... i'm not the one painting them that color, they are.
Quote:In that case, you won't mind:
As the quote by Dennis Praeger in my sig clarifies below.
"It's not those that use the term "Americano-Fascists" giving Americans a bad name, it's the Americano-Fascists."
Quote:Uhuh, so I'm supposed to ignore the hundreds of times you've done it, and I haven't, on your say so... Hey this is like every other thing you do and say "don't look at what AURaptor actually does and say, look at what he wants you to think."
You're the one who wants to use the broad brush on ME in accusing that I view ALL Muslims that way, which I don't.
If you actually believe any of this, you're the one living in a fantasy world.
Quote:Yeah, talking to you is real easy... Seriously though, it's funny how you don't get it, when the only person on this site who doesn't have a low opinion of you is Finn, who acts like a colossal troll most of the time himself, and Kirkules, who seems to have started down the same road. Most people might start to think it's something they're doing, not you though. You just assume it's everyone else that has the problem. That's funny, in a really sad kind of way.
But it's easier for you to carry on your pathetic little life if you simplify things down to their lowest common denominator... ' Pushy American hates foreigners " blah blah blah.
Quote:Yep, spot on, doesn't make it any less true. I can predict what you say in near every post, and have done before remember
I can already predict what you're going to say..... " You hate all Muslims, even though you say you don't. "
. I can predict the broad sweeps of the next topic you post, it goes like this "Bush was right/is great" or "all Muslims are terrorists! But I don't mean all Muslims, just most."You're record doesn't change, you say the same thing over and over and over and never listen to reason argument nor evidence. So you can't expect the responses to change...
Quote:That first part should read "i state Rush Limbaugh's view on something,"...
i state my views on something, you have no rational / coherent response to my comment, other than to call me a liar.
You don't deserve a rational coherent response. when you get one you throw a wobbly and turn it into a flame war, since that's all you ever want here, I'm just giving you the end game so you can fuck off back down the s
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Umm, Cit - while your mileage may vary, I have indeed had rational discussion with Rap on rare occasion, so just cause he mostly goes on with beliefs most folk consider idiotic doesn't mean he's not capable of rational discussion whatsoever, just sayin.
And he's got a right to believe the things he does, no matter how anyone else feels about it.
Callin the guy on his conduct is one thing, but flaming him for holding a belief is kind of a thin line there and pretty close to what you are accusing him of, and what he accuses most of the middle east of - you ain't gotta agree with someones held beliefs to respect them, mind, but respect them you should.
Not that I like him either, but if yer going to lay into him like that, you should restrict your slams to his conduct, cause otherwise you find yourself participating in the very same behavior that you are flaming someone for, and that looks all manner of stupid to an outside observer.
Just sayin,
-F
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Quote:Really, when? Let me guess, you were largely agreeing with him at the time, that's the only time I've seen it happen.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Umm, Cit - while your mileage may vary, I have indeed had rational discussion with Rap on rare occasion, so just cause he mostly goes on with beliefs most folk consider idiotic doesn't mean he's not capable of rational discussion whatsoever, just sayin.
He can be rational, when all are in complete agreement, the moment there's opposing viewpoints, I.E. an actual debate, he stops being reasonable.
Quote:And a bonefide Nazi has the right to hate all Jews, doesn't mean they're any less of a fascist bigot.
And he's got a right to believe the things he does, no matter how anyone else feels about it.
Quote:I'm sorry Frem, but you don't respect the beliefs of people who want to force theirs on you. This is much the same thing. You should respect peoples right to hold a belief, and in many cases respect the belief itself, but not always. I don't feel the need to respect fascism or bigotry.
Callin the guy on his conduct is one thing, but flaming him for holding a belief is kind of a thin line there and pretty close to what you are accusing him of, and what he accuses most of the middle east of - you ain't gotta agree with someones held beliefs to respect them, mind, but respect them you should.
Quote:No Frem. I'm saying he's a fascist bigot for what HE says. That's not bigotry or anything like what he does. If I said "Americans are Fascist Bigots", because of what AURaptor says, you'd have something, but I don't. I just say AURaptor is a fascist bigot, because of what AURaptor says
Not that I like him either, but if yer going to lay into him like that, you should restrict your slams to his conduct, cause otherwise you find yourself participating in the very same behavior that you are flaming someone for, and that looks all manner of stupid to an outside observer.
. There's a big difference.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:We're reaping what we've sown. We installed the Shah of Iran, a corrupt tyrant, which lead to the Islamic revolution. We played footsie with the Saudis, a fundamentalist monarchy, who excused their excessive wealth by secretly funding even more radical preachers. We aided the Afghanistani jihadists ourselves because at the time we thought the Soviet Union was the "real" threat. Not to mention that we took out Saddam, who was one of the few secular tyrants in the region, destroyed Iraq and let loose the hounds of religious fervor.
Exactly. You don’t assume wolves are not a threat simply because they are far away or you’re not the one they are attacking. Downplaying threats like this is exactly the kind of mindset that brought us 9/ll. If you ignore the wolf population long enough, sooner or later, one will find its way into your camp.
And it was all for nice, cheap oil so our oil companies could rake in trillions of dollars over the decades.
Right now the biggest problems are in Pakistan and Indonesia. The problem is, we don't have a consistent story to offer in reply. Our propaganda on behalf of democracy is tainted with our history of rapacious capitalism and destructive meddling, so our moral code (from their view) is corrupt. If we walked our talk we might have more credibility, but since we've aided an abetted so many tyrants in the past it's hard for us NOW to claim that we're the bringers of a better alternative.
I personally think that the only way to fight this is to take the high ground. We need to counter propagandize a story of democracy, freedom, economic justice, and education, and mean it. Any damn fool religious nutcase can say whatever he wants (and BTW we have our own religious nutcases saying basically the same thing) but it will fall on stony ground when people have basic education and meaningful control over their lives and their government.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Quote:Bravo, Sarge, bravo.
I mean that we should avoid undermining the foundations of our own strength on their behalf.
That was one of the most insightful analyses I've ever come across on the Islamo-fascist issue. Thank you.
This is why I still come to FFF. Because amidst all the "Yo momma is a troll" crap, there are a good number of very intelligent folks with a great deal of knowledge and understanding here. I don't always agree, but I do so enjoy reading their viewpoints.
Anyhoot, I think you've hit the nail on the head.
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Frem, thank you for the heads up about Memri. Everything in this world is about context, innit?
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--George W. Bush, addressing U.S. troops at Camp Arifjan in Kuwait, Jan. 12, 2008
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Actually Cit, I was referring to discussions of topics other than direct political.
Anyhows, I see where you're coming from, but I felt the need to remind you that your own actions are bordering on the very same things you're laying into him for.
Not that I ain't kind of enjoying this, in a sadistic kind of way, not gonna lie and say I ain't, but it is kinda stooping to their level, innit ?
-F
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Quote:Point well taken
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Actually Cit, I was referring to discussions of topics other than direct political.
Anyhows, I see where you're coming from, but I felt the need to remind you that your own actions are bordering on the very same things you're laying into him for.
Not that I ain't kind of enjoying this, in a sadistic kind of way, not gonna lie and say I ain't, but it is kinda stooping to their level, innit ?
-F
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:
Suggesting that I some how promote a world dominated by one religion, one nation , one race or anything remotely close to that only shows citizen has the comprehension skills of a moldy tomato.
But isn't that indeed what you're doing? Posting up stuff like this pushes your cause and your agenda - which, boiled down to its simplest terms, says that because others want to attack us and foist their systems onto us, we must first attack them and foist our systems onto them. So from your seat, when THEY say it, it just shows how evil they are, but when WE say it, we're just trying to protect our way of life.
You've repeatedly stated that the UN is junk, the US is the only superpower, and therefore the only voice that matters, yet you still ask us to believe that you DON'T want the US to take over the world?
I'm skepticalisall.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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I have to say just from the outside reading down the thread it seems to have taken an academic discussion to the level of a barroom brawl.
I am assuming that the two main participants are adults (which reminds me of parents getting into a fistfight at a little league game) otherwise it might just be abusive.
*ducks before someone throws a broken bottle in her direction.
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