I'll start: DOCTOR WHO 4.1-the awesomeness
POSTED BY: reginaroadie
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 21:07
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Originally posted by lwaves:
Next episode looks strange and will take a lot of explaining. I'm thinking created from DNA extracts or whatever rather than an actual 'made in the normal way' person.
No - there's no problem with the idea:
(I just wish they wouldn't put spoilers in the "Next time..." trailers
- kudos to lwaves for being appropriately cryptic - and I'd advise anybody who hasn't seen the ep. yet to hit 'mute' at the closing "wheeeoooowwwwnnnnDumDiDumDumDiDum" , but so I'm cloaking the following): Select to view spoiler:
Back in 1963, the Doctor's first companion was his Granddaughter, Susan, who was presumably 'made in the normal way' (whatever the 'normal way' is on Gallifrey). In the "new" series, the Doctor has mentioned that he had children.
The only question is how many more "last timelords" are gonna come out of the woodwork - unless this one is half human and/or has dragged him back to the past... or the future (pesky time machines)...
Hey, she's blonde - maybe she's Rose's daughter!
...and were those proto-Daleks tramping around?
Meanwhile, another occurrence of the Doc's hang-ups about pressing the big red button and making the bad guys go boom!
I'm wondering if we're heading for a reprise of "Genesis of the Daleks": the Doctor #4 story in which the Doctor is sent back to wipe out the Daleks before they are created (a good candidate for the first shot in the Time War) but experiences his usual moral qualms at the critical moment.
What would have happened if, back when Tom Baker was holding up the two wires and agonizing over whether he had the right to erase the Daleks from history, Sarah Jane (hmm.... she's coming back, too) had acted more like Donna at the end of "Fires of Pompeii"...
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Yeah, that whole 'have I the right?' schtick is a good one. Though the last incarnation of the Daleks, when we found out what they were originally, was interesting, to say the least.
Oddly enough, I have it in my head that there is something in the mythos that has the Doctor as the Timelord who destroyed the Daleks AND Gallifrey to end the last Time War. Or have I gone crazy?
Looking forward to the Christie episode myself, if only to spot all the lit ref's.
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Originally posted by ImNotHere:Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:
Next episode looks strange and will take a lot of explaining. I'm thinking created from DNA extracts or whatever rather than an actual 'made in the normal way' person.
No - there's no problem with the idea:
(I just wish they wouldn't put spoilers in the "Next time..." trailersSelect to view spoiler:
Back in 1963, the Doctor's first companion was his Granddaughter, Susan, who was presumably 'made in the normal way' (whatever the 'normal way' is on Gallifrey). In the "new" series, the Doctor has mentioned that he had children.
The only question is how many more "last timelords" are gonna come out of the woodwork - unless this one is half human and/or has dragged him back to the past... or the future (pesky time machines)...
Hey, she's blonde - maybe she's Rose's daughter!
...and were those proto-Daleks tramping around?
A response to the spoiler.
Select to view spoiler:
Yeah you're right he did have a granddaughter. I'd forgotten about that as I haven't seen many of Hartnell's episodes.
As for the 'last timelords' comment, then I have to say that I wouldn't imagine all Gallifreyans would be Timelords, only the brightest etc.
When the Doctor is explaining about the Master he says that as a child you look into the vortex. Some run away and some go mad (and presumably some are okay). I would put this down as some sort of initiation. Only those that pass can go on to become Timelords. The ones that run away obviously fail.
The half human idea is also possible. In a Sylvester McCoy story (I think) it was hinted at that the Doctor was part human. Maybe they'll bring this in, maybe they won't.
Either way I should consider my Who lore a bit more.
Having wrote that though I still stand by my original thinking. Guess we'll see next weekend.
"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."
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Originally posted by lwaves:
Having wrote that though I still stand by my original thinking. Guess we'll see next weekend.
Well, turns out the episode in question is actually called "the Doctor's Daughter" - so much for me worrying about spoilers!
Oh and the actress playing the eponymous person actually IS a Doctor's - Peter Davison's - daughter.
And the director is called Alice Troughton. Hmm. Talk about one big happy family!
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Originally posted by ImNotHere:Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:
Having wrote that though I still stand by my original thinking. Guess we'll see next weekend.
Well, turns out the episode in question is actually called "the Doctor's Daughter" - so much for me worrying about spoilers!
Oh and the actress playing the eponymous person actually IS a Doctor's - Peter Davison's - daughter.
And the director is called Alice Troughton. Hmm. Talk about one big happy family!
Well Patrick Troughton's son David has appeared in several Doctor Who episodes before with his father and with Jon Pertwee. David also used to share a flat with Colin Baker. And he worked with Peter Davison on A Very Peculiar Practice.
According to IMDB Alice Troughton is no relation (still a nice point though).
In a show running this long there must be lots of other links.
As for the spoiler episode title I hate that. The first new season episode that was called Dalek gave the game away. What was the point of the slow reveal of what was in the vault? It would have been much worse to have hidden in and then reveal it when the Doctor is trapped. Kids would have loved it and been scared by it in equal measure.
As it was you knew what was there.
"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."
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The trouble is that Doctor Who is so big in the UK, it just couldn't have been concealed. I mean, they publicised the Daleks's return at the end of Season 2 before the season had even started. The papers are currently filled with pictures of the Christmas special, 7 months before it is due to air.
Can't wait for next week though.
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Originally posted by lwaves:
The first new season episode that was called Dalek gave the game away. What was the point of the slow reveal of what was in the vault?
Um - 45 years of tradition? Dalek stories have always been billed upfront as "Day of the Daleks", "Genesis of the Daleks", "Facebook Page of the Daleks**" and yet (back in the good old days where every story was a 4-6 part cliffhanger serial) the big reveal at the end of Episode 1 was inevitably the "shock" appearance of (gasp) a DALEK!!!! NeeeeeeooooooowwwwwwwDuDuDuhDum DuDuDuhDum DuDuDuhDum Woo-ooh...
(With cliffhanger music like that its a shame that we only get a couple a season now...)
What was more annoying was when they gave away too many clues in the trailer for "Army of Ghosts".
(** Xtermin8! Xtermin8!)
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Yeah, I know. It's so hard to avoid everything. I don't bother with newspapers or the tabloids but I do get a TV mag and they can still give so much away. I was recently spoiled about BSG from my mag. I wrote an e-mail to complain and this week there was a spoiler warning in the same section. I like to think I played my part.
As for the Daleks I do remember the creators being asked if they would be in the first season, and they said no, they wouldn't. There was then so much uproar from the press and fans (each getting the other going) that the makers announced that the Daleks would be there.
In hindsight I do wonder how much that original statement was a bluff to try and hide the surprise. If so I wish they'd stuck to that idea.
"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."
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If people haven't already heard: its been officially announced that Russel T. Davies is stepping down as executive producer of Who.
Good news is that his replacement is going to be Stephen Moffat (yay!) writer of The Best Episode Ever ("Blink") plus "The Girl in the Fireplace" and "The Empty Child".
Fun quote from Moffat was: "I applied before but I got knocked back 'cos the BBC wanted someone else. Also I was seven.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7411177.stm
Bad news is that its not on this Saturday because of the gorram Eurovision song contest (and if you're from the US and don't know what that is... you really, really don't want to know!) 
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I'd heard he was stepping down but hadn't heard about his replacement.
Moffat is a good choice as the three episodes mentioned above are amongst the best (Blink being top of all).
Damn Eurocrappyvision.
Wogan mugging the screen again.
Terrible jokes.
Terribler 'songs'.
Nil points.
The non-European world has something to be grateful for.
"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."
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