Angelus Arcanum

THE GIRL IN QUESTION - Discussion

POSTED BY: Angeldove
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ANGELDOVE

Thursday, May 6, 2004 6:11 AM

I just wanted to hear what people thought about this episode. I have to say I was disappointed, I just really didn't connect with this episode like I have with the rest over this past season. I almost felt like they shouldn't have bothered doing an episode which centered around Buffy, since Sarah was unable to return. I mean we all know the blonde was a Buffy double, so to me it just had no impact. This episode didn't resolve anything about the 'who does Buffy really love' question, not that I needed an answer, but why spend an entire episode rehashing it when it just ends in the same place it started? Sure they talk about moving on like she is, but weren't they pretty much doing that already, and are we really to believe that if Buffy returned wanting to get back with one of them, either would turn her down? I know I am probably being overly harsh on this episode, its just with three eps remaining, I believe its natural to have higher expectations.

My favorite part did involve the cookie dough comment, I do enjoy references back to earlier eps as well as to BTVS eps. But there was an opportunity I felt was overlooked in the Angel/Spike competition bantering... When Angel says that sleeping together didn't make it a relationship and Spike says it does if you do it enough...I thought a good add on to this would be Spike commenting on the fact that Angel and Buffy only slept together the one time, and Angel could respond by informing Spike of that day he and Buffy spent together in bed (I will remember you), but end the comment with, "she just doesn't remember it" which could only lead to Spike pointing out how bad that sounded, and Angel realizing it after the fact. However I have a tendancy to rewrite moments of the shows in my head, not that it didn't work the way originally written.

11THHOUR

Thursday, May 6, 2004 7:58 AM

You made some excellent observations. The Buffy related part of the storyline was not fully satisfactory, but that is bound to happen when the actual Buffy isn't there. Since the series is winding down to the end, there is a feeling that the Buffy/Angel/Spike relationships need a kind of overview... with some kind of reckoning. The whole backstory parts also gave Darla and Drusilla cameo appearances... too brief and oddly disconcerting...

So it's the end of the series and sometimes stories suffer when they are 'built' to serve a certain purpose. I got the feeling that important characters from the past were inserted into a story for a revisit and 'farewell'. But the method just didn't flow very well. The story seemed to be trying for a 'bouncy' ironic feel, but it didn't hit the right notes. But I'll still take this attempt over the heavy, and sometimes tedious, tones of the final episodes of Buffy.

The Fred impersonation by Illyria was perverse fun though! Poor Wes, he just gets tortured in new and fun ways as time goes on...

11thHour

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Angel: "I helped save the world you know."
Spike: (sigh) "Like I haven't..."
Angel: "Yeah. But I've done it a lot more."

MSCKAREN

Thursday, May 6, 2004 1:19 PM

This ep didn't satisfy my craving for the story arc that JW does so well but it sure made me laugh. Know JW there were clues in this ep of something big (and probably ugly) to come in the future.

Really enjoyed the Fred/Illyria changeovers. Wow! Amy did a great job. It appears Illyria is becoming jealous of the love people had for her "vessel".

Missed AB, though...

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"Big damn junkies, Sir!"
"Ain't we just."

EMBERS

Thursday, May 6, 2004 2:34 PM

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Really enjoyed the Fred/Illyria changeovers. Wow! Amy did a great job.

Well, first I have to say that everything w/Wes, Fred & her parents was perfection...
It was so right on so many levels...
and so freaky in so many ways...
I was thrilled!

In fact, over-all I liked the episode more than many people on-line seemed to do:

I kind of loved having Angel & Spike chasing their tails...
or chasing Buffy's tail...
whatever.
But the Buffy wasn't very convincing
(that bad hair and bad dancing was worse than the fake Buffy in Angel's bed a few months ago)
And it bothered me to see Spike talking about 'putting Buffy in a box', he wasn't trying to do that S7 of BtVS...true, he wasn't really letting go (following her on her date w/Wood) but he didn't want to use mind control on her! grrr argh...
But I did always think that if Spike & Angel ever saw Buffy they would find her in the arms of another man! LOL
So I was proved right in that regard!

It was very funny...
Great seeing Darla, Dru and Andrew!
And that awful jacket on Angel reminded me of the masked Mexican westler's outfits...

I loved Angel saying 'Concurrently? You never let US do that!' LOL!

Oh, and how cool were Spike & Dru in the B&W flashback of them in Italy in the 1950's! OMG! I want a screen cap of that!

But I just had a weird fore-shadowing thought: remember when Lilah wore glasses and her hair in braids? And how Wesley wanted her even more like that?
How long before Wes can resist Illyria in her Fred suit? Seems that just knowing that Illyria can do the Fred look would seduce Wesley! So is it foreshadowed???????
I don't want any spoilers, I avoid them like the plague...so please do NOT spoil me...I'm just wondering, and a little scared for our Wesley.

DELIA

Thursday, May 6, 2004 4:30 PM

I loved the Fred/Illyria and Wes stuff -- I've enjoyed that arc if for no other reason it's given those two actors a chance to shine. And I loved seeing Roger and Trish again.

And watching Spike and Angle bond was kind of fun -- especially when they were comparing who had saved the world more -- but I kept thinking, "OK, we're in a little holding pattern before they hit us with the big important stuff in the last two episode." I mean, a little more fall out about Angel handing over the baby would have been nice. I think I would have reponded better to this episode if had come BEFORE the previous one.

And while we're on the subject of Angel acting without reprecussions, when does he get in trouble for violating his friends' memories (over Connor). I mean, Willow does her mind tinkering and her whole world falls apart. Angel does the same thing and, Wesley mopes.

Finally, what part of Rome were they supposed to be in? I'm sorry, I've been to Rome, and I NEVER saw the streets (stradas!) that empty.

GORRAMREAVERS

Thursday, May 6, 2004 5:01 PM

Loved the episode.
Great to see Andrew again...and Spike's uncomfortable-but-not-so-much-to-say-anything look after Andrew hugged him.
Angel and Spike on a moped (Vespa...whatever)
Wes and Fred...great stuff.

3OF19

Thursday, May 6, 2004 5:25 PM

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Oh, and how cool were Spike & Dru in the B&W flashback of them in Italy in the 1950's! OMG! I want a screen cap of that!

No problem:

EMBERS

Thursday, May 6, 2004 5:35 PM

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OMG! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
These are beautiful, absolutely perfect!

I am so happy now!

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KARENKAY99

Thursday, May 6, 2004 9:26 PM

i don't know, i kind-a liked it.
i laughed out loud several times and there were a few 'oh, sh*t' and 'oh my god' moments.
like every time amy switched from illyria to fred or back. that woman can act. i hope all the hollywood folks see her and she gets her pick of what to do next.
and the bomb. i didn't expect that and was dyin' laughin' at spike and his coat.
the buffy stuff left some wanting but we knew it would. save it for a movie. and her with another vampire? what's with that girl?
i thought it was great to relax a bit and have fun with this show coz i think they're getting ready for some serious stuff. i'll have tissues handy.

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

KNIBBLET

Thursday, May 6, 2004 9:30 PM

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... buffy ... with another vampire? what's with that girl?

They never said that 'The Immortal' was a vampire. Actually, I got the impression it was a tip of the hat to "Highlander" as the bartender made an offhand comment about 'keep your head'.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."