Global Warming...the Movie
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UPDATED: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 19:58
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let me give you an example: are clinical trials considered scientific? yet there are variables which cannot be accounted for, that can alter the outcome of the tests. cigarettes effect different people in different ways. i dont see how we could know for sure, that we've incorporated all the different variables to produce the proper results(regarding MMGW). i see conflicting stories all the time!
i never suggested scientific laws have changed, nor would i, i believe God created everything with purpose. my point was that our understandings change with time. what small fraction of observable climate data we can extract, we make predictions from. in the early 90s when this issue of CO2 became relevant, the impact of solar activity and underwater volcanoes was not even well known; now their scientists who attribute climate changes to this, and are MMGW skeptics. that was my point. whos to say what we will discover, and how it will change our understandings
lets not get in a frenzy, and do something rash, before we know the full story. its not as if people want a polluted environment, but they want a house and a sustainable lifestyle for their families. right now, the world economies are not ready for anything drastic
thats why i ask what your solution is?
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Quote:But...you've seen it now, right?
Originally posted by antimason:
shame on me, for not seeing the show before i stumbled on to the site
Cmon, Antimason. You've got to watch the show, man. Not saying you're not welcome if you don't, but...it's kinda tacky. Like going to a birthday party without bringing a present, or going to a convention just to eat their free hors d'oeuvres.
Please tell me you've seen the show by now.
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Originally posted by citizen:
It wasn't a question aimed at me. I wasn't using the term, I was saying you were. I realise such a simple concept is beyond your closed off extremist mind's ability to grasp.
You're a Troll. You've slandered me (actually it's Libel here, but never mind), you preside in judgement over anyone and anything not of your very narrow definition of Christianity, then presume to tell others to "judge not". The most important one for you would be "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", because without sin sure doesn't include you.
Thank god most Christians are nothing like you.
You don't think for yourself, you just parrot what some extremist tells you to think, I've never pretended to have all the answers, you have, that is your lie. In fact your post, like the most of them, is nothing but a stream of lies. You don't know what I think or believe, but presume to judge me on what you want me to be. I don't know where to begin with pointing out the lack of basic Christian precepts in that.
You are anti-Science, a statement like "there is no science" does more to prove that than anything I've ever said. You are no Christian, you are the most immoral person I have ever met either on-line, or anywhere else. I take solace only in the fact that you are most likely some trollers construct, and not a real human being.
"i guess that makes me a troll.." AntiMason
does anyone else see this? id love for someone to come forward, whos been offended by me
you are delusional. and what are your beliefs? you are so critical of mine, yet you wont put forth yours for scrutiny.
i asked a philosophical question directly related to ID: how do you define morality? you cant, no one can answer it, even the most ardent atheists like Dawkins and Nietzsche couldnt. is that not relevant?
answer me about the big bang, what was its cause? what makes your hypothesis better then ours, but your own bias
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Cmon, Antimason. You've got to watch the show, man. Not saying you're not welcome if you don't, but...it's kinda tacky. Like going to a birthday party without bringing a present, or going to a convention just to eat their free hors d'oeuvres.
im not gonna lie, i looked it up only once on youtube, after i had been on the site for awhile, and it seemed intriguing, but i didnt sit through it all. truth be known, i dont watch a lot of television anymore, and havent watched a tv series since the x-files. i wasnt about to to go out and buy the series, no offense to you all. and i havent watched any firefly since
so.. should i leave now? i thought this was good company
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Quote:That's like saying "I asked for a debate on color: So what do you think of mosquitoes?"
i asked a philosophical question directly related to ID: how do you define morality?
AFA defining morality... It's however people define it. Sometimes it involves sacrificing little kids. Sometimes not. I know you WANT morality to have the certitude of some sort of immutable law of nature, but human history tells us that it just ain't so.
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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Quote:You demand answers from me, but won't return the favour.
Originally posted by antimason:
thats why i ask what your solution is?
What's my solution? I haven't got one, that is, I haven't got a single all encompassing simple plan to fix everything. But contrary to your assertion that "the market has nothing" there's plenty of products on the market or in development in fact. Personally at the moment I'm saving money for a solar hot water heating system, I use energy saving light bulbs, and turn off lights when I'm not in the room. I would give incentives to buy and operate such systems. I would also put an emphasis on renewable energy supplies such as wind, wave, solar and geothermal.
Quote:You're the one who sees NWO conspiracies in you porridge, not me. You're the delusional one. You're the one who's told me what I think, if you've seen evidence for half the things you say I think and promote, then you're delusional.
Originally posted by antimason:
you are delusional.
Quote:They're mine and none of your damn business is what they are. Unlike you I don't use my beliefs to beat others around the head with. I hold myself to my standards and no one else, and god knows I'm not perfect and don't always succeed, but I'd not presume to force my own beliefs on others.
and what are your beliefs?
Quote:You still got get it do you. I'm critical of yours when your critical of others, when you make some assine statement, I send it back at you. You should examine why you find your attitude thrown back at you so insulting. Why shouldn't I be critical anyway, your critical of me and mine, and everyone else's. You're telling me to judge not while being judgemental. Your holding yourself up as the consummate Christian, while telling others to hold themselves to values you don't hold yourself to.
you are so critical of mine, yet you wont put forth yours for scrutiny.
Beyond that, you don't get it, you act like religion and belief is some sort of competition, like I've got to give you mine so you can tell me how wrong or right I am.
Quote:No, it isn't.
is that not relevant?
Quote:The direction of work. You decide what happened, and never question it, Science tries to find out what happened. Even if science never gets it right, the journey is a hell of a lot better than making something up and insisting that's the way it is, don't ask questions.
answer me about the big bang, what was its cause? what makes your hypothesis better then ours, but your own bias
"i guess that makes me a troll.." AntiMason
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i dont beat anyone over the head with my beliefs, if i have an opinion, im entitled to it. because i have strong beliefs, i should keep them to myself in other words? my opinion, and what you know to be true, have to coincide, or im a zealout.
you make me out to be some fire and brim stone extremist, ive never told you to "go to hell", let alone 'youre going to hell'.
the reason we get into it, is because i strongly believe that there is a God, thats hes relevant, thats his work is blatant, that there is a plan for humanity and that we are not merely products of time + matter + chance. why is that so offensive to you?
i dont think a good believer just shuts up, and pretends that 'IF God exists, we wouldnt have any way to "prove" it'? the denial of God is why the world is in this mess
and in my eyes, science is the study of Gods creation. you will never convince me that the two are separate
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Quote:That's not what I said, but I'm sure that's how you wish to portray it.
Originally posted by antimason:
i dont beat anyone over the head with my beliefs, if i have an opinion, im entitled to it. because i have strong beliefs, i should keep them to myself in other words? my opinion, and what you know to be true, have to coincide, or im a zealout.
But yes, you do beat other people over the head with your beliefs. You did it to me earlier, you told me to live up to standards even you didn't in the exact same sentence.
Quote:Oh, so you don't say Atheism and Secularism are evil? You don't want a Christian Theocracy? You don't redefine Christianity to be only your interpretation and all others to be wrong?
you make me out to be some fire and brim stone extremist, ive never told you to "go to hell", let alone 'youre going to hell'.
Quote:Your beliefs are not offensive to me. Your desire to shoehorn them into science and force them on others is what is offensive.
the reason we get into it, is because i strongly believe that there is a God, thats hes relevant, thats his work is blatant, that there is a plan for humanity and that we are not merely products of time + matter + chance. why is that so offensive to you?
Quote:Forcing ones own beliefs down other peoples throats is 'why we're in this mess'. Secularism is about the best thing anyone came up with. It's not just good for those evil atheists, but everyone else as well.
i dont think a good believer just shuts up, and pretends that 'IF God exists, we wouldnt have any way to "prove" it'? the denial of God is why the world is in this mess
Quote:That would be one of the reasons you are anti-science. You say you're against science being turned into a religion, yet will not separate God from science. Hello? Earth calling Antimason, God is a religious concept. You're not against science being religion, your for science being replaced by your religion. God is not a scientific concept, never has been, never will be.
and in my eyes, science is the study of Gods creation. you will never convince me that the two are separate
If you want to force your religion on science where it doesn't belong, what right do you have to decry science, or anything else being forced on your religion.
"i guess that makes me a troll.." AntiMason
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signym- That's like saying "I asked for a debate on color: So what do you think of mosquitoes?"
why? we dont know the cause to the universe, but that it required something external to initiate it. even with the 'big bang theory', there's philosophy involved in every hypothesis, even the sacred evolutionary theory. so why not bring the human psyche into it, it seems relevant...
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AFA defining morality... It's however people define it. Sometimes it involves sacrificing little kids. Sometimes not. I know you WANT morality to have the certitude of some sort of immutable law of nature, but human history tells us that it just ain't so.
so, we dont have to determine right and wrong(there is none)? thats not something that should be taken lightly, those are significant questions with significant ramifications. there is some horrifically obscene depravity and wickedness in the world, are you telling me thats not evil(just in bad taste)?
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Originally posted by citizen:
But yes, you do beat other people over the head with your beliefs. You did it to me earlier, you told me to live up to standards even you didn't in the exact same sentence.
you sit in judgment of me constantly. i cant quote a bible verse? if it gets you to open one up, if even to throw it back in my face, then i accomplished something
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Oh, so you don't say Atheism and Secularism are evil? You don't want a Christian Theocracy? You don't redefine Christianity to be only your interpretation and all others to be wrong?
i never implicitly called atheism evil.. i think its a philosophical mistake, but thats my opinion i can only offer my arguments
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Your beliefs are not offensive to me. Your desire to shoehorn them into science and force them on others is what is offensive.
once again, you arent looking at this from any other perspective then your own. if God exists, there would be evidence. maybe, its all around us. you dont know that it isnt. maybe, we will unequivocally prove it one day.. thats the beauty of "science", is it not?
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Forcing ones own beliefs down other peoples throats is 'why we're in this mess'. Secularism is about the best thing anyone came up with. It's not just good for those evil atheists, but everyone else as well.
maybe, but what have we ever known? dictators, emperors, monarchs? im not opposed to secularism, but that it provides no higher authority then 'man'
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That would be one of the reasons you are anti-science. You say you're against science being turned into a religion, yet will not separate God from science. Hello? Earth calling Antimason, God is a religious concept. You're not against science being religion, your for science being replaced by your religion. God is not a scientific concept, never has been, never will be.
maybe i should clarify: personally, im against science being turned into an atheistic religion. im not anti-science, but i dont believe the concept of God itself is strictly religious. we may never know what caused the universe!! but to me, it is too incredible and beautiful to be merely accidental
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If you want to force your religion on science where it doesn't belong, what right do you have to decry science, or anything else being forced on your religion.
well, youre making an assertion and setting your own premise. maybe there is no God, and youre right. but maybe there is a God, and im right. am i missing something?
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