Objects in Space Inner Thoughts
POSTED BY: est120
UPDATED: Monday, August 2, 2004 12:53
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River may be reading something, but I'm not all together sure even SHE knows what it is. Remember, she keeps commenting how Simon would be working as a Doctor were he not looking after her. Kaylee also makes some rather snide remarks about what a cushy life Simon would be having , but out here, he's having to scrape the bottom of the barrel...But both seem to forget that it was Simon who unconditionally shows his love for his mei mei ...willing to risk EVERYTHING to save her. Seems both River AND Kaylee overlook that minor detail, and Simon is here on HIS choice, albiet bitter at the Alliance for what they did to River. So, it may be River does read resentment in Simon, but it's not directed AT her, but rather the bastards who did this TO her.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
...So, it may be River does read resentment in Simon, but it's not directed AT her, but rather the bastards who did this TO her.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Except,AURaptor, that when everyone is in the galley discussing River, Simon almost repeats the same line word for word before choking off the end of his sentence. Simon is indeed conflicted but is in no serious danger of choosing to return to the Core at the cost of his sister's life or sanity. Doesn't mean he has accepted the new life he leads as the life he is meant to lead.
Until Simon stops dancing around how he feels about Kaylee--who is the heart of Serenity--and accepts her offered love wholeheartedly he will not be of Serenity but merely on Serenity. Mal may say that Simon is one of the crew but Simon hasn't chosen Serenity as his home yet. In that sense, River is ahead of him by the end of OiS--she is at home on Serenity.
Ljosalf
The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.
Marcel Proust (1871 - 1922)
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Okay I LOVE what ljosalf has said about Simon! And yes he does say the exact line when they are up on the bridge talking about River. But I remembre when I heard him say it the first time, to me it didn't sound like he was longing to be there, it was almost like 'If I was still there, we wouldn't be in this situation.' I think Simon is kinda guilty for bringing himself and his sister onto Serenity, I think in some ways he feels like a burden. I really wish we could have had an episode where Simon finally gave in and made the ship home. I just think he's conflicted.
And I remember back a few episodes that Simon tells Mal that he thinks Serenity is the first place that River has really felt at home. Maybe Simon still hasn't seen that for himself. We all know he's kinda daft.
I really loved this episode because it's up to you what it really means. Joss does that, he can leave things directed yet wide open like this. I remember the first time I watched it, when Mal and Inara are talking and he says 'None of it means a damned thing' I honestly felt like my heart was being ripped out. Joss has a way of doing that. Book scared the hell out of me. And while I don't know if River completely understands the way her world is working around her, I think she's slowly gaining control of her power. It's like Blue Sun gave River an entire ring of keys, and only now is she starting to figure out which opens which. River is starting to understand her own logic, and she's a smart girl, we should have figured she would eventually. I think this episode is a lot about how it's not the power you have, it's how you wield it. But then again as time goes on River makes more and more sense to me. But that's prolly cos I'm sorta nuts myself. ;)
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ljosalf,
The point I'm trying to make and that so many seem to overlook is simple. Simon very easily could have:
* Ignored River's letters and just pretended everything was fine.
* Obeyed his parents and not made waves about something being wrong w/ River.
* Stayed on at a Core Hospital facility, following his life long dream and building what most likely would be a highly honored and lucretive career.
But he didn't. He tossed his career ( temporarily , at least ) in the garbage, severed ties w/ his parents, became a fugitive to the whole gorram Alliance,...risked EVERYTHING he's ever known to save River. Now he finds himself in very unsure surroundings, not knowing exactly what to do next, who he can trust or where he's going.
I'm sorry, but I'm just of the opinion that Simon is getting a bad rap. Because he doesn't pretend to have all the answers, folks seem to want to dump on him. While many might see Simon as some rich, young, cocky kid w/ a silver spoon in his mouth,..I see him mainly as just a big brother trying to save his little sister.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I see him mainly as just a big brother trying to save his little sister.
i agree. and if anyone needs more proof, watched the end of safe.
"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."
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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
I'm almost certain Inara's comment is because she's dying, and it's a reference to a hospital conversation. Something along the lines of:
Doctor: There's... we found something on the scan, you're...
Inara: I'm a big girl, just tell me.
Doctor: You're dying Inara...
WOAH. i never even thought of that!!! That would be why she was leaving and why she didn't elaborate on what happened with the doctor's on ariel...
wait...maybe she's pregnant? Do they have super condoms in the future or just normal ones?
According to one of the quotes from Joss on this site, he had to 'get away from latex for awhile'. So I'm guessing condoms are no longer 'normal'.
LOL!
Couldn't resist! (Running away and ducking for cover).Cheers,
Annik
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Originally posted by est120:
Along the same line, is this partly why River does not hear anything from Kaylee because she is more innocent than the rest?
This reminds me of the episode of Buffy where she could hear everybody's thoughts & Cordelia said exactly what was on her mind. Heehee.
"You didn't have to wound that man."
"Yeah, I know. It was just funny."
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Originally posted by annik:
According to one of the quotes from Joss on this site, he had to 'get away from latex for awhile'. So I'm guessing condoms are no longer 'normal'.
LOL!
Cheers,
Annik
LOL!!! Someone call Aldous Huxley!!!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
ljosalf,
The point I'm trying to make and that so many seem to overlook is simple. Simon very easily could have:
* Ignored River's letters and just pretended everything was fine.
* Obeyed his parents and not made waves about something being wrong w/ River.
* Stayed on at a Core Hospital facility, following his life long dream and building what most likely would be a highly honored and lucretive career.
But he didn't. He tossed his career ( temporarily , at least ) in the garbage, severed ties w/ his parents, became a fugitive to the whole gorram Alliance,...risked EVERYTHING he's ever known to save River. Now he finds himself in very unsure surroundings, not knowing exactly what to do next, who he can trust or where he's going.
I'm sorry, but I'm just of the opinion that Simon is getting a bad rap. Because he doesn't pretend to have all the answers, folks seem to want to dump on him. While many might see Simon as some rich, young, cocky kid w/ a silver spoon in his mouth,..I see him mainly as just a big brother trying to save his little sister.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Auraptor, where you see people dumping on Simon, I see too much uncritical praise for him. He is to be commended for life for not shutting his eyes to what was going on with his sister, for trying to get his parents to act, for acting on his own. The same strong will that led him down that path, however, is both virtue and flaw in his character. He ain't weak, no, but he can be willful and he does act (where River is concerned, certainly) without reflection or considering the consequences. (Mal rakes him over the coals for not thinking before getting strangers involved in his troubles.) When he single-mindedly set out to rescue River you can bet that he never thought through to the realization that he would become a fugitive with a very high price on his head. He obviously became a fugitive before he was prepared for the condition; otherwise, he would have made arrangements to protect his accounts (you know, the ones that got frozen and left him broke?). He is still coming to grips with the wrenching changes in his life. I think he can be forgiven for having an occasional resentful thought--it just means that he is human, thank God. Oh, and he can be a smug, self-righteous p
k. Kaylee's right to want him to unbend some.Just my $0.02.
Ljosalf
The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.
Marcel Proust (1871 - 1922)
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Quote:- KarenKay99
..if anyone needs more proof, watched the end of safe
I think Simons actions speak louder than words. I also think that Mal wasn't thinking straight when he admonished Simon for how events turned out. Clearly, Simon was trying to slip away w/ River as best he could..on a non descript cargo ship. Mal was just upset that Lawrence shot Kaylee and ends up putting the blame on.... Simon??? Simon didn't shoot Kaylee! River might be a Reader, but Simon isn't, and there was no way for him to know how events would unfold.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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