River's Brain Scan

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UPDATED: Sunday, June 6, 2004 02:11
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JUMPY

Monday, May 3, 2004 10:38 PM

Yeh I kinda agree with LOST, at least when I watched it that's what I thought had happened. I'll have to see it again to decide

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LOST

Monday, May 3, 2004 10:42 PM

Yeah, watched the scene again and I'll admit I'm finding some difficulty getting everything to agree one way or another.

True, if Jayne was trying to get them out, why'd they walk right into some of the guards?

But if he wasn't, why did he want to leave twenty minutes before they had to?

I don't know, I guess deep down I just want to believe that Jayne will do the right thing.

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SHINY

Monday, May 3, 2004 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Lost:
But if he wasn't, why did he want to leave twenty minutes before they had to?

He wanted to sell them out early enough that:
1) Mal and Zoe wouldn't get worried and come to find them, spoiling his plan
2) He could leave undetected by Mal and the others, in case he decided that they would never forgive him for his betrayal (although his response to Mal's reaction would suggest he hadn't really thought too carefully about what the others would think)

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SAMURAIX47

Tuesday, May 4, 2004 12:58 AM

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Hell's Kitten:
Also...along the same non-topic topic...in the intro to the promo tape of Train Job, Book says in his narrative that there are hundreds of terraformed planets that were all united under the Alliance rule. Now, I'm no astro-physicist, but having hundreds of planets in one solar system just doesn't seem feasible. You can terraform a planet all you want, but if it's too close or too far from the sun, y'ain't gonna be livin' there.

I just think that this is Joss' simple misunderstanding of planetary and stellar distances, and not having a thoroughly thought out FF 'verse. Or if JW isn't responsible for those intros (which isn't on the DVDs) used on the broadcast of the episodes then it's just typical Hollywood ignorance about the definitions of Universe, Galaxy, Solar System, etc...

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Originally posted by Jebbypal
Okay, is it just me, or does this map solve the dispute as to whether the Firefly story is set in a sigular solar system or a much larger universe? These maps look alot like multiple systems composing a universe to me.

Okay just as an example, and I'm not aiming anything against Jebby here for his use of the word universe, but if this is 500 yrs in our future, than this is still the ONE and only universe we are currently in. The universe encompasses everything so there are no other universes, unless you want to break the bounds of space-time where other universes exist, like the Star Trek Universe or the Star Wars Universe. But for all reality purposes there is only one 'verse. There are billions of stars that make up a galaxy. Galaxies are millions of light-years apart. Solar systems are a few light-years apart.

If the FF 'verse is made of multiple star systems then maybe they are in a stellar cluster where the stars are close enough that travel to that many planets could be possible. Or a multiple star system... like Castor, which is three pairs of binary stars orbiting each other and was also the setting for Isaac Asimov's Nightfall. Each of the binarys could have their own planetary systems.

Or as I had postulated in another thread that most of the planets in the FF 'verse are satellites of gas giants... moons... but planet-sized moons.

Again the confusion of how do you write an intro that can inform the uninformed masses watching network tv in the shortest amount of dialogue is what probably drove the basis for the intros used by Fvx for the broadcast versions of FF. It gets the point across but is really inaccurate to those who would be geek enough to nitpick the facts. (guilty as charged, your honor

)

Jaymes

SAMURAIX47

Tuesday, May 4, 2004 1:08 AM

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Originally posted by Shiny:
Finally, here is the actual star chart that appears to have been re-colored and duplicated to form the FF star charts:
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/stars/chart/index.html

Dpending on how far the FF'verse is to Earth-that-was... many of the constellations could appear much the same.

I suppose the prop people just threw this together, made it look really cool by layering the map 4 times to give it some depth, and that is the system map that Wash uses in Safe. Doesn't have to be true to the 'verse, it just has to look cool on tv.

But we can still wish for an accurate rendering...

Hey does anyone complain about the Star Trek universe map from the original Tech Manual and the one made for the Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager series? I know I was thoroughly disappointed in the lack of continuity, but then I'm a trekker for life so I have to nitpick.

Jaymes

RANGRBOB

Tuesday, May 4, 2004 4:28 AM

What I picked up from that part of the Ariel episode was that River's brain lit up after Jayne said that they had to go because of a change of plans.
Then River said something like
"They come out of the dark, They come when you call"
I think this refers to the Blue Hand Men and Aliance Troops capturing them after Jayne's call.
I also think River's brain lit up at that time because she was only able to see that future after Jayne commited to it by taking them out early to deliver them to the Aliance.
And I'm sure if he had changed his mind about turning them in he would have mentioned it to Mal during his debriefing.

I suck at spellen so go easy on me.

WANGENSTEIN

Tuesday, May 4, 2004 5:12 PM

I mentioned this earlier in an edit, but I should have just made a new post of it... hey, like this one!

It occurred to me that River's lines about 'They took away Christmas' may have been aimed at Jayne regarding his being double-crossed. Perhaps she 'read' his disappointment at not getting the big payday he was expecting, and with her brain twisted as it is, it came out with an xmas bent to it.

LJOSALF

Tuesday, May 4, 2004 11:12 PM

Definitely agree: River is reading Jayne at the substation as he realizes not only is he not getting the reward for the Tams but probably is well and truly caught and has missed out on the original haul to boot.

Oh, and, show of hands, who thinks that Jayne got the gear and badges from his Fed contact and that is why Mal and Zoe's badges didn't work on the door? That Fed wouldn't want to cut into the Alliance's profits, would he? Good thing that God's-gift-to-medecine came along when he did and was sooooo obnoxious and persistent he had to be shocked out cold. Otherwise, yeah, Jayne would have managed to betray Mal too, and the entire caper would have gone irredeemably south.

What kinda puzzles me about River's brain scan is that Simon downloads/saves it before it goes all interesting and it takes an appreciable amount of time for that to complete. Then he snatches out his media a split second after the scan gets all interesting. Yet, in a later episode, Simon is examining that interesting end part of the scan. That's some super fast, prescient autosave feature on that thing! Must mean that, although Windows appears to have survived as an operating system for automated trash containers, a la the microanalyzed trash bin screen in "Trash", some other software company must make brain scanner software.

Ljosalf

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GUNHAND

Tuesday, May 4, 2004 11:56 PM

I don't think Jayne got the ID from the Feds per se. He's got contacts because of...umm, well not sure why he has contacts really but I do have an odd theory.

In the teasers to one of the episodes, pretty sure it's on The Train Job the jacket he's wearing looks to be your typical army surplus sorta thing that Jayne wears from time to time. But the last time I watched it I noticed that it has a patch on it, a very intersting patch that says Polizei on it with a heraldic crest. Polizei being German for Police made me think of a couple odd things.

First off, where'd he get a cop jacket? Now if you pinch one it's not the sort of thing you'd want to run around in just for the hell of it. So one of my crazy theories is that Jayne was at one point a cop. Now that sounds crazy, but he has skill with weapons, he tracked Serenity in his "introduction" in Out Of Gas and that could explain where he has these odd contacts. Plus he knows about interrogation techniques, he likes the cruder ones but he knows a thing or two about the more subtle kind.

Secondly, it means somewhere in the 'Verse there's a moon that has a goodly number of German descendents. Doubt a place would bother to use German on their official patches (especially one that didn't also have it spelled out in English and/or Chinese as well) unless the bulk of the citizenry in the jurisdiction spoke German or an English/German hybrid.

Thirdly, and this is sorta out there and has a lot to do with what Book really was before becoming a Shepard, but maybe Book and Jayne's increasing friendship comes from them both being cops at some point. I can see Jayne with his interest in getting paid and paid well being a crooked cop on the force who eventually went freelance becoming a tracker/bounty hunter/Merc. Cops can tell other cops, it's the way they look at things, it's the way they carry themselves, it's hard to explain but a cop can always pick out another cop even if he's dressed in civies and comes from a different country.

Jayne being a cop could also explain why he didn't fight in the war. I'm assuming that the Alliance would have had a draft in effect, you'd need one just to get the size of an army that could take that many casualties at Serenity Valley, and as a general rule cops don't get drafted.

So Jayne Cobb, ex-dirty cop with connections, used some of his old connections to get the ID cards they needed to get into the hospital. I don't think Jayne had anything to do with the cards not opening the med vault, but if his contact still bore him some sort of grudge he could have given him dodgy cards just to monkeywrench his plans some.

Anyhow that's kinda off the train of thought for the River thing and way out there but just a crazy theory I have.

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Wednesday, May 5, 2004 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by Neroli:
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Originally posted by Delia:
I guess I was never clear as to the cause and the effect. Did she start screaming because she saw the brain scan, or did whatever made her start screaming also trigger the changes in the brain scan?

I always thought that what triggered the changes in the brain scan were what started her screaming. Something like she sensed the Blue Hands getting closer.

But she actually looks at the lit up brain scan for a moment before she starts screaming. If you watch it closely it really does seem it is the scan that starts her off.

Personally the way I've always interpreted the scene is that she sensed the Blue Hands. River's brain does the little change of colors and then a moment later her eyes open and she (almost) immediately starts screaming.

I mean, Simon mentioned that she 'can't not' and she 'feels everything' (I know I got those mixed up but oh well). So techincally fear for River would be all consuming (same with love, anger, hurt, sadness, joy, etc). Which would explain the color change.

It's also intirely possible that River diagnosed herself and thats why she started screaming or she diagnosed herself and still started screaming because she sensed the Blue Hands. It really is up for different interpretations.

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