The monster that is Monsanto
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2008 15:49
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Well, he got the bovine part, but I ain't sure husbandry was the end product.
Categorizing folk is stupid - you can teach, learn from and exchange ideas with a person, but you cannot do it with a category or caricture of a person.
That's why even when ripping heads off, I take folk as individuals, cause to do otherwise renders the entire idea of an argument invalid and relegates it to just venting or ranting.
Too many folk wanna break it down to a simple "us and them" but it ain't so, there's us, and then there's more of.. us.
E Pluribus Unum.
And to accept that is the first step towards gettin along with folk.
-F
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Originally posted by Deadlockvictim:
Wow, Green.... this would be a good time to plug one of my favorite educational videos.... it follows very closely with what you're saying...
http://www.storyofstuff.com
Deadlockvictim, thank you so very much for that link. I'd never seen that video before, but that is exactly what I'm talking about.
Particularly chilling is the the quote:
“Our enormously productive economy...demands that we make consumption our way of life, that we convert the buying and use of goods into rituals, that we seek our spiritual satisfaction, our ego satisfaction, in consumption....We need things consumed, burned up, replaced and discarded at an ever-accelerating rate.” – Victor LeBeau
For those who aren't yet aware of the collusion between Fox and Monsanto to suppress the reportage of the health risks caused by Monsanto's bovine growth hormone in dairy products, the website http://www.foxbghsuit.com may be of some interest.
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I think the thing is that most everyone on this board has an opinion or two on any particular topic. (We're an opinionated lot!) But the opinions that I value most are informed opinions: those that are reached because of unique life experiences or serious study of a topic. Even if I don't agree I can always learn something new from those kind of folks.
The opinions that really knock my socks off are the predictive ones; I figure that if someone can figure out what's going to happen next they've created a really, really accurate model of a complex system, and it behooves me to pay attention to their assumptions and logic!
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The problem with the Cassandra gig, Siggy...
Is that it is really high in creep factor, and really low in customer satisfaction.
Nobody wants to hear where this is going, and most especially that they are individually powerless to prevent it, within a population unwilling or unable to act cohesively enough to stop it.
I disagree with the system complexity comment for the same reason I disagree with PN's overreaching conspiracies...
Just because a bunch of crabs march across the beach in lockstep, does not mean they are organised and coordinated - although it may look that way, the reality is that their processing is so simple that from the same inputs, within minimal variation, you'll get the same result, see ?
Our system is NOT complex at all, simply add in greed, ambition and a total lack of conscience with a minimal to non-existent set of controls and consequences, to a population concerned only with their own personal power, wealth and comfort.
And then put them in charge of the rest of us, and viola, you've just recreated our entire system, at the root of it - all the rest is just fluff, bullshit and details.
Once you understand how the game works, you only really have to understand the 1% that actually controls any damn thing, and THOSE folk are easy to comprehend.
-F
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Originally posted by GreenBrowncoat:
Auraptor and Kirkules are the perfect Americans, by which I mean that they believe the party line and are too well indoctrinated to question authority. They watch newscasts on stations with corporate and partisan agendas and believe they are receiving factual, unbiased information. They are compliant and gullible. They are not to be hated, they are to be pitied. Their naïveté coupled with their unwillingness to accept new information ensures that they will support the corporations that systematically poison them. They feed themselves and their children poisoned milk, meat, and produce. They clothe themselves with garments produced using poisonous chemicals in every phase from plant to fiber, from countries that poison the air and water to make them (not to mention the harm to our economy from the trade imbalance), purchased from superstores that poison the local environment and economy. They purchase and purchase, just as they've been trained to do from birth. They consume and waste. They destroy the planet. They are to be pitied. Poor fools. I weep for them.
Welcome to the party, Greenie. Wow, talk about gullible ! You should have died a dozen times over w/ the horrible world you live in! By your comments, it's plain to see that you tote around your agenda everywhere you go. Never mind the fact that I simply stated I was skeptical of the attack on Monsanto. And you seemingly ignore the why, since I gave examples above to show my skepticism wasn't just out of hand.
Poisoned food , air and water ? Wow. So, living longer is a bad thing in your view ? I rarely get sick and suffer from no allergies, so if breathing , drinking and eating from a poisoned planet is bad, then let me be VERY bad.
Greenie, just so there's no misunderstanding, I don't care for your kind. The holier than thou, arrogant and condescending water mellon types ( green on the outside, red on the inside ) who think they know so much more about the planet and it's some how YOUR job to tell us , the great unwashed, how to live our lives in order to " save " this 4.6 BILLION yr old rock in space. I got news for ya , this planet will be around LONG after the species of homo sapiens has become extinct or moved the heck off.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by GreenBrowncoat:
For those who aren't yet aware of the collusion between Fox and Monsanto to suppress the reportage of the health risks caused by Monsanto's bovine growth hormone in dairy products, the website http://www.foxbghsuit.com may be of some interest.
Is this anything like the " collusion" that CNN had w/ Saddam to not report on the atrocities Iraq was committing and to even go as far as to report puff pieces, which made Iraq look better to the world, so as to get favorable interviews and access for reporters that weren't offered to other news agencies ?
Are we talking THAT level of collusion?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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all the rest is just fluff, bullshit and details.
Yeah but... (you know what "Yes, but..." means? It means "no"
) Every now and again the system ruptures, French- Revolution style. That, or it runs itself off a cliff. Sometimes... rarely... it evolves into a relatively benign, egalitarian form.---------------------------------
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Nothing really new here. Check this out if you didn't want to read the long Vanity Fair article. I heard about Monsanto when Canadian farmer Percy Schmeiser was on the Guns & Butter radio show back in 2005 Nov 2 & 9. I get pissed now every time I hear their name.
You can get those episodes here:
http://gunsandbutter.net/archives.php
http://www.esnips.com/web/percyschmeisergmo
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Oh HUSH, Psych! You're just portraying Monsanto as a big, bad corporation when everybody knows they're the neatest thing since sliced GMO bread! Anyway, Gunsnbutter is loading slow, so here's the story
Quote:www.percyschmeiser.com
Percy Schmeiser is a farmer from Bruno, Saskatchewan Canada whose Canola fields were contaminated with Monsanto's Round-Up Ready Canola. Monsanto's position was that it didn't matter whether Schmeiser knew or not that his canola field was contaminated with the Roundup Ready gene, or whether or not he took advantage of the technology (he didn't); that he must pay Monsanto their Technology Fee of $15./acre.
This is what I've allued to already, altho nobody picked up on it: About 10% of non-GMO seed stock is contamintaed with GMO genetic materials due to cross pollination from nearby fields.
In addition to potentially giving Monsanto leverage over farmers who have never purchased their seed stock, that FACT might want to give you pause when somebody wants to do GMO field experiments: There is no way to contain genetically-modified seed.
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Quote:Is this a baseless opinion, or do you have anything to back it up?
Is this anything like the " collusion" that CNN had w/ Saddam to not report on the atrocities Iraq was committing and to even go as far as to report puff pieces
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