BSG new cylons

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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Monday, April 14, 2008 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Baltar's house was far away from the actual bombings, and there were plenty of other survivors left of Caprica after the attack. His embrace with Six allowed her to sheild him fropm the debris of the shattered windows.

I've thought about that before as well, but honestly I've seen real explosions up close and with the voice of a quasi-expert I maintain that the force of the debris entering the house would destroy human flesh. Baltar should have died. There was more going on in that sequence than simply being pelted with shattered glass. I agree that there were plenty of caprica survivors. I describe those folks as the lucky ones who didn't experience a bomb detonating near them. Baltar's lakeside cottage was in an unlucky location.

To be fair though, I will go home tonight and re-watch those scenes in the pilot episode. I'm currently typing this and working off my memory, which isn't exactly fresh in terms of BSG Season 1.

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STORYMARK

Monday, April 14, 2008 5:49 PM

The debris was directional, and Baltar was behind Six, who took the brunt of the force, and she did die.

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MAL4PREZ

Monday, April 14, 2008 7:33 PM

I always figured the blast was from far across the lake - the bright flash that made Baltar yelp like a little girl. When the shockwave arrived some time later, it was destructive but not un-survive-able, especially not with a super-engineered Cylon standing in the way. That's always been my take when I see the scene, anyway.

I'm not saying Gaius isn't a cylon. That's always been a lurking possibility, with his connection to the Six and all. It's just too obvious though, which is the main reason I think it'll be someone else. Writers like to be clever. Well, the BSG writers like to be clever - I can't say that about much else on TV.

I like the suggestion that it's Tom Zarek. That could be fun - just because the actor used to be Starbuck. It'd be like a second level of irony...

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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Monday, April 14, 2008 8:53 PM

I'm going to re-watch the entire sequence tonight and think on it. In the meantime, here's David Letterman's top 10 list for BG. Line items 6 & 5, oh so funny.

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BLUEMOONSTUFF

Monday, April 14, 2008 9:08 PM

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
I'm going to re-watch the entire sequence tonight and think on it. In the meantime, here's David Letterman's top 10 list for BG. Line items 6 & 5, oh so funny.

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FRAKIN' GREAT! And yes, five and six quite amusing.

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LWAVES

Monday, April 14, 2008 9:19 PM

Funny, and they got all the main cast there. That must have taken some doing.
Strange hearing Jamie as Apollo (sorta in character) speaking with his natural English accent.

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CYBERSNARK

Monday, April 14, 2008 11:34 PM

Funnier than the entire series so far.

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Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 PM

ok heres my 2 cents on whats happening and stuff

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Top 2 candidates for Cylon IMO are starbuck and baltar.

For starbuck this miraculous coming back from the dead combined with her drawings as a kid and the leonis guy saying shes done this all before. It screams "hey look at me im actually a robot". But because its so obvious it makes me doubt it

Baltar his imaginary friend is a big cylon arrow especially as caprica 6 has a similar one of him. And also have you seen how much he looks like jesus? and now hes preaching about a one true god and doing spirit healings.

Now heres the wild card idea. We know the 4 cylons on galatica were activated and the 5th is also onboard, so what if the 5th knows their a cylon and activated the rest of em.

My wild card idea is Mr gaida. That sweet little guy who runs around the bridge but never quite gets involved anywhere. He's also the one plotting the path to earth and he was presidential assistant on new caprica. So far theyve placed the secret cylons in key places so he is an obvious choice.

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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:58 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
The debris was directional, and Baltar was behind Six, who took the brunt of the force, and she did die.

I watched this sequence several times yesterday. This is what I determined.

1. Baltar lived near Caprica City, the seat of government. Adama says later in the episode over the Glacatica Com that Caprica City was destroyed by a nuke scaled in the 50 megaton range. Reference this wikipedia article for TNT-equilivent destructive forces: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaton While there is no proof that the flash that burned Baltar's eyes was the same nuke dropped on Caprica City, I surmise that the bombardment was generally the same and using 50 megatons as a benchmark is valid.

2. Baltar saw the flash, screamed like a little girl, and covered his eyes. From that point there is a 24 second count to the arrival of the blast shock. Refer back to the wiki article on explosion destruction scales then cross reference it with this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_nuclear_explosions

The diagram on this page illustrates that "complete destruction" was achieved for a 1 mile radius of the 1945 Hiroshima bombing. That was a 15 kiloton bomb. Think then what a 50 MEGAton bomb yields. The shockwave from these type of blasts move at about mach 1, or 760mph. A calculation based on the 24-count (flash to shockwave) yields a distance of roughly 5 miles. That distance seems right when I watch Baltar scream from the flash.

For a wimpy Hiroshima scale nuke I'd say Baltar would have been fine. But Adama said that the cylons were using Megaton nukes (appropriate if you're attempting genocide). Just 1 Megaton places Baltar in grave danger if one references the nuke scale chart. My calculations indicate he's dust at 5 megatons. Even 1 megaton wipes out his house and more than likely kills him. If 50 megatons is the average...the point becomes seriously moot. However, if one should wish to entertain ideas of what a 50megaton blast would look like, the soviets actually set one off in 1961 to scare the western powers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba If there was ever a reason Nuke's should be pulled from warfare, this is it.

I know I've over-geeked this subject. I'm told I do it too much. It's one reason why I like Firefly. All the real-world aspects of the 'verse make sense and it's soothing to me to watch the poetry of the firefly stories interwoven with real-world accuracy.

Final analysis: Baltar was toast. He reawoke in a goo-bath and was set loose to eventually encounter refugees and thus, Helo & Boomer's raptor. He has no memory of being reborn and the #6 we start to see as he takes off from Caprica is the program running in his head. I have no allusions that my analysis above was considered by writers when the pilot was written, and if Baltar ends up being a human I won't be suprised.

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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:06 PM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:

I like the suggestion that it's Tom Zarek. That could be fun - just because the actor used to be Starbuck. It'd be like a second level of irony...

Actually, he used to be Apollo, but the point stands.

Classic Chrisisall

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