The monster that is Monsanto

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RUE

Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:25 PM

So, Rap

Now that you know this HAS happened - anything to say about these FACTS ?

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Or will you just slink away, as usual ?

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:40 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
So, Rap

Now that you know this HAS happened - anything to say about these FACTS ?

Rue, get ready for a ride through Egypt, 'cause here comes denial....

You can respond now, AU.

Fact-based Chrisisall

KIRKULES

Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:53 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
The result has been nothing less than an assault on the foundations of farming practices and traditions that have endured for centuries in this country and millennia around the world, including one of the oldest, the right to save and replant crop seed."

This is not the issue in these lawsuits. The issue is simple breach of contract. Monsanto requires all farmers using their patented seeds to sign a contract agreeing not to use seeds from the previous years crops. There is no reason the farmer can't choose not to use Monsanto seeds. The farmers want to get the benefit of the Monsanto seed, but not pay for it. I know that some farmers are claiming that the seeds are "blowing" over from nearby farms, but if this is the case the burden would be on Monsato to prove otherwise and they are protected by existing law if it's the truth.

RUE

Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:55 PM

And yet the patent office diagrees with your expert legal opinion.

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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:04 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
the burden would be on Monsato

No...the burden is on the one least able to afford the sharks...

Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:16 PM

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Hey RAP It took me less than 20 seconds to find this (and I'm a bad typist) ...

AW RUE!!! DAMNIT! You did Rap's homework for him! And now, instead of either (a) being shown for the gutless no-nothing coward that he is or (b) actually have to come to the facts himself (c) you gave him an easy out! Now he can once again cover his eyes, plug his ears, and put his brain thru the spin cycle.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

KIRKULES

Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:30 PM

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Originally posted by rue:

Monsanto has filed dozens of patent infringement lawsuits

A few dozen lawsuits is hardly a "assault" on the American farmer. Many American farmers are wealthy enough to fight Monsanto. Those not wealthy enough are probably members of organizations that pool resources to protect farmers rights. I would think that if Monsanto only pursues a few dozen lawsuits they would expend their resources on larger farms where the patent infringement is actually costing them a lot of money.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:32 PM

KIRKULES

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This is not the issue in these lawsuits. The issue is simple breach of contract. Monsanto requires all farmers using their patented seeds to sign a contract agreeing not to use seeds from the previous years crops. There is no reason the farmer can't choose not to use Monsanto seeds.

Bullshit. The issue is that Monsanto can use its muscle to intimidate people who haven't even used their seeds, or force them into bankruptcy without "due process".

It's the same problem with Frakenfoods or hormone-boosted milk production. There was a dairy in Maine- Oakhurst- which marketed its milk as being "hormone-free". Monsanto, which makes rGBH (the recombinant growth hormone) sued Oakhurst Dairy for labeling their milk with a PERFECTLY TRUTHFUL statement.

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The landmark lawsuit centers on whether ... a producer has the right to make truthful statements about what a product does not contain, right along with what it does contain. Oakhurst's label tells the truth. But Monsanto contends that, although truthful, the label is misleading and prompts consumer skepticism that undermines the company's lucrative markets.

Monsanto sued Oakhurst on July 3, claiming that a label on Oakhurst milk jugs that states "Our farmers' Pledge: No Artificial Growth Hormones" is hurting the multinational chemical company's relationship with dairy farmers and misleads consumers into thinking that there is something wrong with milk produced with artificial hormones. Stanley Bennett II, president of Oakhurst, on Thursday reasserted his stand against changing the label. "We don't feel we have any obligation, nor will we be required or bullied into somehow qualifying our standards," he said.

"Our customers have told us in no uncertain terms that they don't want artificial growth hormones in their milk. Our label is an accurate and
honest attempt to communicate to consumers what we are trying to do. It is our obligation to our customers." This is the third such suit filed by Monsanto against dairy processors
regarding labeling issues. The two other suits, one in Texas and the other in Chicago, were settled out of court.

www.veganrepresent.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-2626.html

In addition, big business has a direct effect on the media, including the enforcement of "food disparagement laws" against Oprah - when she discussed the issue of mad cow disease in beef... and

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"Two veteran news reporters for Fox TV in Tampa, Florida have been fired for refusing to water down an investigative report on Monsanto's controversial milk hormone, rBGH (recombinant bovine growth hormone).

www.rense.com/health3/milkhormone_h.htm

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Many American farmers are wealthy enough to fight Monsanto.

OMG man! You have GOT to be joking! The only farms "big enough" to "fight Monsanto" are the agribusiness farms. The family farms are overwhelemd.

It just boggles my mind how much people (YOU) are willing to bend over and be thankful for the oppty to get fucked. But hell, I don't know about your sex life so maybe this is the only fucking you get!

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I would think that...

Do you? Think, that is? Microsoft doesn't go after big companies like IBM. They go after universities and city governments and small organizations. Wal-mart doesn't go after Lowes or Home Depot. They kill the mom&pop shop. And Monsanto doesn't take on agribusiness. They go after mid-sized dairies and family farms and hang their heads on a pike at the corporate gates.

Let's not forget ... and this has already been brought up in lawsuits... that about 10% of the seeds from a non-GM filed wind up containing GM material because of cross-pollination from other fields. So even non-GM farmers will have SOME GM material in their seeds. So is Monsanto going to go after them too? Mostly likely yes.
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Let's party like it's 1929.

RUE

Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:43 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Hey RAP It took me less than 20 seconds to find this (and I'm a bad typist) ...
AW RUE!!! DAMNIT! You did Rap's homework for him! And now, instead of either (a) being shown for the gutless no-nothing coward that he is or (b) actually have to come to the facts himself (c) you gave him an easy out! Now he can once again cover his eyes, plug his ears, and put his brain thru the spin cycle.

Let's party like it's 1929.

Ehhhh - sorry about that. I was curious to see how easy it would be to actually find some facts (ridiculously easy - and fast - it took me longer to type my message than to search. It really did only take about 20 seconds). I sorta cross-posted with you b/c of the time it took me to type ...

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So RAP - got anything to say ?

CHRISISALL

Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Now he can once again cover his eyes, plug his ears, and put his brain thru the spin cycle.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

lolisall

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