Wash and Book, resurrection wrongness

POSTED BY: Gilead
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:18
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MAKTON

Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:06 AM

You are absoluty right about that. Umm.... They really cut the movie to close to the series to add more in the middle. I'm trying to get an actual time from the last episode to judge how much room there really is.

As for resurrection of Book and Wash, I really don't see that and replacing them would be hard to do. Might need to break the rules a bit to really bring back the series with all the charaters. I need more info.

Also, I didn't introduce myself. My name is Mike and I'm a technician, also known as the troubleshooter. I'll make a new thread when I have a the information I need. It's nice to meet everyone :)

GILEAD

Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:24 AM

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Originally posted by annuette:

Does he? I haven't read the comics.

I should clarify: He alludes to a concept (eerily in conjunction with Wash) that I am of the opinion would be a bad, creepy, and yet irresistably intriguing way of bringing Wash and maybe even Book back.

I don't even want you to think Joss made a direct allusion to bringing them back.

And you should read the comics. They're very good.

TYRANTKILLER

Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:48 AM

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Uplifting franchises create active and energetic fan-bases that costume and raise money for charities and throw conventions; people don't wish to thrust themselves into fictional worlds that mimic the harshness of real-life.

If Serenity's crew just-died-one-tough-death-after-another, there would not be a fan Browncoat movement. No happy people thrilling to the next adventure, throwing Shindigs to celebrate the BDH's latest great escape.

People might say, "Wow, that story really hits ya where you live", but they would then move on to the next movie/TV series/book/whatever.

in part i agree that people watch fiction to find a diferent, more exiting world, but as Joss has said
(notice: May not be exact quote) "firefly shows that, yes we're in the future, we have new technology and new planets but our problems are basically the same."

so even though fiction should be fictional an ENORMOUS part of Firefly's appeal is it's feeling of "you know these people" and breaking the set rules of a 'verse, in this case 'death' would damage that feeling.

Wash is a huge part of the humor and wit that is Firefly but i think to say the "car" wouldn't run anymore is kind of an insult to Joss and the other BDHs because i think they could pull off a great show without Book and Wash.

on the other hand, i do believe that killing Wash in the first place was huge mistake, but brining him back would be like burning down your house to find your keys.

oh... and river would make an awesome pilot. especially since she kind of "woke up" near the end of serenity and isn't as completely insane as she was throughout firefly.

but Wash or no, we've gotta keep flying till we get or big damn heroes back.

"when you cant run, you crawl, and when you cant do that, you find a friend to carry you!"
-the browncoats

ANNUETTE

Sunday, April 13, 2008 10:53 PM

*grins* I'll have to look out for the hints then. I just brought the first comic at the con this weekend but I'm unsure where to get the others so may have to shop around :)

GILEAD

Monday, April 14, 2008 4:22 AM

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Originally posted by annuette:
*grins* I'll have to look out for the hints then. I just brought the first comic at the con this weekend but I'm unsure where to get the others so may have to shop around :)

I'm talking about "Those Left Behind". Better Days is pretty awesome, though.

Gilead

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Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

SPACEANJL

Monday, April 14, 2008 11:59 AM

I just had a thought...

Maybe that guy from 'Pushing Daisies' has a descendant with the same powers? Now that would make for some twisted fanfic...

"Zoe, honey, there's a hole in my shirt. I love this shirt...oh, wait, damn...Zoe, honey, there's a hole in my...me. Er, ouch?"

*sits back and waits for someone to run with the idea...*

FUTCHFACTOR

Monday, April 14, 2008 7:18 PM

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Anything 'fan-born' is derivative , and not able to claim copyright as a result...And , because it doesn't originate with the creator or a copyright holder , is naturally non-canonical...

no. the copyright owner still holds rights to a portion of any derivative works.

fan-made works may only copyright the portion of original material and original ideas contained in the derivation. the original copyright owner retains ownership on the universe, characters, names etc. and may prevent their use or request royalty.

for a fan to retain 100% intellectual copyright, the original design must be transformed such that it can no longer be recognised as the original.

case in point, Harry Potter goes to court today over the unauthorised lexicon.

OUT2THEBLACK

Monday, April 14, 2008 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by futchfactor:
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Anything 'fan-born' is derivative , and not able to claim copyright as a result...And , because it doesn't originate with the creator or a copyright holder , is naturally non-canonical...

...fan-made works may only copyright the portion of original material and original ideas contained in the derivation. the original copyright owner retains ownership on the universe, characters, names etc. and may prevent their use or request royalty.

for a fan to retain 100% intellectual copyright, the original design must be transformed such that it can no longer be recognised as the original.

Looks like you misunderstand my meaning...

How many fan-fic writers do you know that file for copyright protection of their work ?

There may be one or two , but in the Firefly-Verse , perhaps not many more than that...

Without a copyright statement and a filing , to support a fic writer's claim to a copyright on a derivative work , it would seem very doubtful that such a writer could make any legitimate 'claim', particularly since the characters and situations are only borrowed and derivative in the first place.

If a fan-fic work is so substantially changed , so as to be unrecognizable as originating in that particular 'Verse , then there'd be no point to writing the fic in the first place , right ?

FUTCHFACTOR

Monday, April 14, 2008 9:05 PM

i'm not trying to rain on the parade here, just clarify some legal points for any wanna-be authors out there.

anyone is free to write fan-fic derivations provided they do not claim the entire works as their own and publish the work for non-profit.

while derivatives might boost the popularity of something, they do leverage off the effort, concept and fan-base established by the original.

so write you stories, but don't forget to include a footnote to the effect of "Firefly © Joss Whedon"

SPACEANJL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:18 AM

If you post on this site, or fanfiction.net, the fact that your work is derivative, and someone else's plaything originally, is a given.

The weirdness comes when an idea or situation posited in a fan-based work then turns up in the original. (And I know whereof I speak, 'kay?) Of course there is no legal recourse, but it doesn't stop a certain miffed feeling, which is ironic, since that miffedness must be even more intense for the originator of the base material...

There are folk who have had hissy fits and banned anyone from producing fanworks based on their stuff on any fansite. Which is a little sad - the original will always be there, and fanworks can only spread the news.

There is also the situation where a fanfic writer finds their work being ripped off and/or used as canon in other works. (Again, been there, done that.) That's even more convoluted - no recourse, because it's a copy of a copy...

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