MLK assassinated 40 years ago today

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RUE

Sunday, April 6, 2008 4:44 AM

I think it went wrong about here:

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We continue to strive for the day when blacks will stop seeing whites as the enemy and for that glorious future when they will stop seeing themselves as "black" and embrace their equality with the other races. We dream of that day when their community rejects the racist and hateful rhetoric so common in their community be in their churches, in their music, or in their own homes. We dream of that day when they vote Republican...just to prove they can (and thus earning themselves a real place in both parties). ...
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LIGHTBRINGER

Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:49 AM

I'm too tired to get into this right now. Suffice to say, I'm sorry Veteran, I see your point. My advice: Just act like a decent human being. I don't give a damn whether you're Suomi or Tamil or Melanesian.

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
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HERO

Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:49 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
I think it went wrong about here

If it went wrong...it went wrong here:

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Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

Edited for content: I agreed with it and then joined with him and many other leaders, black and white, who have critisised the black community, as defined and labled by them.

I am not the first, nor am I the most critical. I honored Dr. King's sentiment and expressed my hope for Senator Obama's black community, which I suspect Dr. King would claim as his own if he were here.

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RUE

Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:54 AM

"who have labled critisism of the black community, as defined by them."

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Who 'labeled' anything ? And did they go around with one of those labelers or did they use permanent markers or stickies ?

If you're having trouble finding the right words, maybe you could use an online thesarus. Or perhaps you could put your brain in gear before you put your fingers in action.

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KIRKULES

Sunday, April 6, 2008 11:56 AM

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This post was initiated to honor a great American. As an American I am thoroughly embarassed that it was so quickly turned into race baiting.

I think this thread just shows that we are starting a new phase of US history where race is less important. The fact that many are no longer willing to be shut up by political correctness or the fear of being called a racist is a positive step forward in my opinion. Those that have used the legacy of MLK to claim the high ground are no longer able to shut down criticism by labeling anyone with an opinion contrary to theirs a racist. MLK was all about personal responsibility and if I allow Rue or anyone else to shut me up by calling me a racist, I'm complicit in perpetuating the problems in our society just like Rue is.

MLK was a great man and I think we can be sure that the MLK holiday will continue to stir debate in this country until the day it becomes as meaningless to Americans as Presidents Day.

RIGHTEOUS9

Sunday, April 6, 2008 4:17 PM

kirkules..that's cookey...did you even read my thread above?

what it really means is we haven't got that far at all, when most posters here aren't able to do anything but call out racism on the other side, even while they're spouting it themselves...

how are we a healed nation when it comes to race? How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

As to politically correctness - I don't neccesarily see an advantage to it - it just hides alot of this endemic racism that has built up in people and doesn't allow the issue to be adressed, but feeling warm and fuzzy about how people have been talking about this issue is strange.

And isn't that what they did exactly to reverend Wright? call him a racist because he said controversial things? Are you cool with this double standard? He may in fact have some deep resentment about white people...but don't be so silly as to suggest that we aren't hearing a lot of resentment here towards blacks.

HERO

Monday, April 7, 2008 1:05 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"who have labled critisism of the black community, as defined by them."

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Who 'labeled' anything ? And did they go around with one of those labelers or did they use permanent markers or stickies ?

Poorly chosen words as a result of no sleep or too much beer...possibly both.

"I agreed with it and then joined with him and many other leaders, black and white, who have labled critisism of the black community, as defined by them."

Should have read:

"I agreed with it and then joined with him and many other leaders, black and white, who have critisised the black community, as defined and labled by them."

I have a dream...that one day a white man can critisise the black community without being called a racist...that one day all Americans can exercise their free speech without fear of political correctness or grammer police...that there will come a time when we figure out that crumbling schools, closed businesses, crime, poverty, and social decay in our cities exist because of the uniform political choices that are made by the local community, not the state or federal government.

We shall overcome...

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm

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RIGHTEOUS9

Monday, April 7, 2008 5:05 PM

bullshit artist...

you'd have credibility on this issue if I'd ever heard you criticize the white community for its own racism...

if you could see that on the level that it exists then it would be easier to surmise that you yourself weren't looking at the world through a angry white man's filter.

political correctness is a sliding scale apparently. It is politically correct to call Wright a racist. In the "political" world, that is exactly what is being done. In the political world on the other hand, we don't see MSNBC coming out and condemning or suspending Pat Buchanan for his "Brief". Seems racism towards the black community and its plight is fine so long as you add, "I don't care about the color of a person's skin...it's how that person behaves.." as if people behave in a vaccuum and their experience up to this point hasn't effected that. As if one cultural perspective has a lock on what is proper behavior.

when you go to a foreign country you do things to try to connect with the people abroad...crazy shit like holding hands with emirs.

But in your own country you want to assume that it's just your country and you have the proper behavior gene. People who wear pants under their ass have already been judged by you. People who have too many gold chains have already been judged by you...gold teeth? freaks...etc. We all make judgements, but yours are more negative then mine, and yours are less accepting than mine. You can't take out of the equation where a person comes from when you assess the content of his character.

HERO

Monday, April 7, 2008 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
you'd have credibility on this issue if I'd ever heard you criticize the white community for its own racism...

A discussion of white racism deserves its own thread. We have made tremendous strides on that issue since the days of MLK and due in part to the undeniable fact that he won the argument and changed people's minds. White racism is unacceptable in any venue and such was not always the case.

This, however, was a discussion of MLK and his legacy. His success in changing the minds of white America is hampered by the lack of change in the black community. I expressed my hope that we would see progress in their community that the broader social changes seem to make room for. I would suggest that the biggest obsticle facing the black community is no longer white racism but rather a black racism that colors (no pun) their view of whites as well as their own self image.

Whites have come a long way, many black Americans have benefited from that, but the overall community is in bad shape and that has not changed since the 1970s even though the social restrictions have almost completely been removed. I am certain there is a psychological componant to this issue arising from the legacy of slavery and the oppression that followed, but at some point they need to put their past behind them.

Had a nice fella this morning. Smart, strong, VERY FAST...fathered three kids by three different women (he's 19, they're underage), married to none of them, supporting none, alcohol addicted and unemployed. Idiot blew a full scholarship to a major university cause he liked to smoke pot and have sex with 13 year-old girls. At some point he is responsible for what happened to him, my only role is putting him in jail for breaking the law...race neutral.

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KIRKULES

Monday, April 7, 2008 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by Righteous9:

People who wear pants under their ass have already been judged by you. People who have too many gold chains have already been judged by you...gold teeth? freaks...etc.

You've got to be kidding! Now I'm a racist if I judge people by how they dress. So if I'm walking down the street, and see a couple of white guys coming towards me wearing baggy pants and head bandannas with gang colors, and I see on the opposite side of the road a couple of black men wearing business suits walking down the street, I'd be a racist if I chose to cross over and walk down the same side as the black men? Obama's grandmother wasn't a racist for fearing black men on the street. The incarceration statistics make her fear justified. I'm not a racist either because in spite of my knowledge of the statistics I would chose to walk on the side of the black men in business suits over the white potential hoodlums. The white guys made the choice to dress up in a manner that they know has a stigma in society. The idea that you would excuse any and all destructive behaviors because of racism is cookey. I don't give a dam what other people choose to wear but if they want to work for the "man", they should be required to meet the same dress code that I am required to accept. Making an exception for them would be racism.

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