Simon and Kaylee the whole she-bang
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UPDATED: Monday, July 19, 2004 15:52
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Could there be a twinge of guilt in Simon's conscience over having used Kaylee's agony to compel Mal to help him and River escape the Alliance cruiser that Dobson called? Maybe lurking somewhere at the back of his mind? I would like to think so; it would make him less of a heel. It is pretty clear that Kaylee, for her part, holds no grudge on this score--which should make Simon just that much more reluctant to do anything in any way that he might perceive as "using" Kaylee--such as jumping her luscious bones. Simon does seem to have a broad honorable streak.
Kaylee is too straightforward for the course of romance to run smoothly. The trick with Simon would be to get him to pursue her until she catches him. Not Kaylee's style but maybe Inara will give her some pointers.
Ljosalf
The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.
Marcel Proust (1871 - 1922)
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just wanted to share an epiphany I had about Kaylee last night (one that has made her character infinitely easier to write so it might help others. That sweetness is hard to replicate). Remembered that Joss mentioned during the commentary something to the effect of "Kaylee said it so we know that it's true". Kaylee states plainly the truths about situations and people but without any of Jayne's crudeness. Extend that to her interactions with people and you get someone that always acts on what they feel without reservation -- she feels it so it is true and therefore nothing to be ashamed of. Not a bad philosophy for life and not what I would normally define as "easy" although it can be misconstrued that way by stricter definitions.
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Quote:That'd make an awesome sequence in the BDM.
Originally posted by ljosalf:
The trick with Simon would be to get him to pursue her until she catches him. Not Kaylee's style but maybe Inara will give her some pointers.
Inara and Kaylee having "girl talk" about how to catch a man, then a few scenes later, Kaylee makes a clumsily overt attempt at Simon (which he messes up in typical fashion), while Inara watches with a knowing Mona Lisa smile.
(Then later, the scene replays between Inara & Mal. Mal, like Simon, finds some way to swallow his foot.
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I think Simon truly does like Kaylee considerably. His reaction to Early's threat of harming her seemed sincere. I don't think it was because he aimed to hurt "someone" as much as he tapped into Simon's feelings for her.
They do similar work, simply in different venues. She keeps the ship alive while he keeps people alive. In a way, I think he measures them equally in that vein.
Personally, I think he's just naïve when it comes to women.
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I would HAPPILY take him whether he's naive or not! 
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I happened to be watching 'Jaynestown' this morning - which, of course, showcases another of Simon's great goofs, namely his "I would never - not with Kaylee!" babbling to Mal.
I always used to think (as Kaylee does) that this was just mean and slightly contemptuous of Simon. But this morning, seeing it again, it occured to me that the dynamic behind the scene is one that stretches back to the pilot. Remember that one of the first things that Simon sees of the crew's interaction is Mal's cold fury when Jayne insults Kaylee (the 'gynaecologist' line...). Simon clearly takes that to heart - a little later, he comments to Book about Mal's very protective attitude towards his crew.
So, looking again at Kaylee and Simon waking up together in 'Jaynestown', I reckon that Simon's babbling explanation comes because he's afraid that Mal is going to hit him again for taking advantage of lil' Kaylee.
That he thinks of it at all as 'taking advantage', while Kaylee clearly doesn't, is simply a measure of who they both are and the conditions they're used to - as they discuss right at the end of the episode. I don't think Simon considers Kaylee to be socially beneath him at all (although it may well have begun that way). I think he's just out of his depth, and trying to find a way to keep to his values after his world has been turned upside down.
Plus, they'd make such an adorable couple. And we know Joss loves adorable couples because then he can put them through HELL, muahahaha...
/pure intentions, juxtaposed /
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Hi, everyone. Go here to vote for your favorite Firefly cast member. I know that Howdy already voted for Simon! 
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Yep well here's my to cents.
I personally love Kaylee and Simon, like CYBERSNARK I too am a helpless romantic.
My generally philosophy is that pretty much everything effects everything. So when Simon acts like a moron its for lots of reasons.
For one he's just nervous around Kaylee because he likes her so much.
Second he's a very proper sort of guy from a "proper" background so yeh he's going to try and act as "proper" as he can around Kaylee cause that's how he feels he's supposed to. I seem to recall (i really hope i didnt read this off a post or something) that he says basically acting "proper" (theres that word again) is just his way of showing that he likes her, of showing respect.
Thirdly he's usually preoccupied looking out for River and trying to help her.
And then there's the other stuff like as NIKOLACLARKE said with Simon waking up with Kaylee and worried Mal's gonna open up a can of woopass for "taking advantage" of her (which I feel is a good point.)
And also when LJOSALF talk about Simon's guilt using Kaylee's pain (from getting shot) to make Mal take him and River with them.
DROKKA was saying their work is very similar as well, just in kind of different mediums.
As for them being different well maybe Kaylee's just the girl to loosen Simon up a bit!
Joss meant for this to be a show where the characters go through an "evolution" I spose and improve themselves, or get worse whatever So i think most things you see are all contributing factors to a rich tapestry!
Kaylee and Simon 4EVA LOL
BTW: As for Simon not deserving Kaylee I think that's a bit harsh considering what he's oing through and everything. His sister needs a lot of care and attention and lets face it when she's trying to dice up the crew with knives thats gotta put a bit of pressure on him (I realise thats the last episode but there mighta been other instances similar)
i reckon they both see the good in eachother (Kaylee has to work a bit harder to see the true good but its there )
Mercy is the mark of a great man…*stab*…I guess I'm just a good man…*stab*…Well, I'm alright.
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Originally posted by Jumpy:
Second he's a very proper sort of guy from a "proper" background so yeh he's going to try and act as "proper" as he can around Kaylee cause that's how he feels he's supposed to. I seem to recall (i really hope i didnt read this off a post or something) that he says basically acting "proper" (theres that word again) is just his way of showing that he likes her, of showing respect.
Yeah, Simon specifically says it while Kaylee nurses his wounds at the end of Jaynestown. just thought you'd want to know that it wasn't from another thread
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