Objects in Space Inner Thoughts

POSTED BY: est120
UPDATED: Monday, August 2, 2004 12:53
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EST120

Monday, May 3, 2004 1:05 PM

I was reading another thread on the board and it occurred to me that I have really no idea what some of the scenes from this episode mean. In particular, I am referring to the beginning when River is walking through the ship and hearing other crew member's thoughts. I understand that Jayne says about the money being too good and Simon about being in the hospital, but what really confuses me is what Book says, what Mal says and what Inara says. Any thoughts? Also, if you consider this episode to be the last episode of the series, then the subplot of Inara leaving the ship is not really resolved. Any more thoughts on how or if this will be handled in the movie?

BLACKEYEDGIRL

Monday, May 3, 2004 2:54 PM

Now I'd love to help you out, but for the life of me I can't find a script for Objects in Space (if you know where to find one I am pretty sure Ic an offer you some clarity on this episode), to refrence back to for those lines and their provenance. I'll dig around (BTW why is this the only missing script in the Features section? Someone ought to get right on this!).

JUMPY

Monday, May 3, 2004 3:13 PM

Yeh i know what you mean it is kinda confusing.

well here's what they say basically

Book - I don’t give half a hump whether you're innocent or not. So where does that put you?

Inara - I'm a big girl just tell me

Mal - None of it means a damn thing

Well Book and Mal I really don't know. Inara I always figured was telling Mal to say how he feels or something like that. But that hasn't really got anything to do with River so then again probably not.

Mercy is the mark of a great man…*stab*…I guess I'm just a good man…*stab*…Well, I'm alright.

EST120

Monday, May 3, 2004 3:27 PM

I am not sure all the comments have something to do directly with River, but it is possible. What Jayne and Simon say kind of make me think all the comments have something to do with each person's innermost secret or regret. Along the same line, is this partly why River does not hear anything from Kaylee because she is more innocent than the rest?

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Monday, May 3, 2004 3:35 PM

Book's is some sort of reference to his dubious past, though I have no idea what.

Mal's I assume is his general apathy and uncaring about anything but his crew. He's lost all his idealism.

I'm almost certain Inara's comment is because she's dying, and it's a reference to a hospital conversation. Something along the lines of:

Doctor: There's... we found something on the scan, you're...

Inara: I'm a big girl, just tell me.

Doctor: You're dying Inara...

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WYDRAZ

Monday, May 3, 2004 3:38 PM

River is just picking up the crew's thoughts. I don't think any of the thoughts she read concerned River directly.

Book's inner words were directed towards Jayne, revealing how much he disdains Jayne's lack of ethics on the inside but remains cordial to the loveable thug on the outside.

CYBERSNARK

Monday, May 3, 2004 3:43 PM

I think Mal's is kinda obvious.

He joined the Independents because he believed in it. It was something grand, something bigger than any one man or woman in it. Something he was proud of.

Then it all came apart.

Now he's running his little ship, doing little jobs under the heel of a regime that he no longer believes he can do anything about. He's given up, lost his faith, been "hollowed-out inside," as Fillion says.

Yet he still pretends, still puts on a brave front for his crew. He makes them think they're important, and they are, 'cause they're his family, but. . . there's just something missing.

Remember his bitter "we won" in "Serenity," as Jayne is gleefully checking the stolen loot. Malcolm Reynolds is a man who strove, Odysseus-like, with gods. He once dreamed to change the face of history. He was a Hero of mythic proportions.

Now he's scavenging food from corpses. And he has to pretend that this is somehow worthy of him --of all of them.

They're just nobodies. They'll live, acheive their greatest dreams or suffer their most cataclysmic failures, and nobody will ever know or care.

Finally, note that he doesn't just say the line in River's head --it's a choked-off sob, like he's one hair's-breadth away from just breaking down.

"None of it means a damn thing."

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JUMPY

Monday, May 3, 2004 4:03 PM

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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
Book's is some sort of reference to his dubious past, though I have no idea what.

I just had a thought about the Book one. It could very well be to do with his past. Some people have had the theory that he had something to do with the alliance.

Maybe its kind of as if he's interrogating somebody or at least he's talking to an enemy, Book having some sort of power, able to crush some dude's life completely (because he says along the lines of "i dont give half a hump whether you're innocent, so where does that put you".- This could be a rhetorical question) So Book's opinion on whether he/she is innocent is very important (as in he can hurt them somehow)

Looking back I'm not sure If I wrote that very well but if you dont understand what I was saying tell me

Mercy is the mark of a great man…*stab*…I guess I'm just a good man…*stab*…Well, I'm alright.

EST120

Monday, May 3, 2004 4:16 PM

That actually makes sense. Still, I wonder why that is what River heard. I am still convinced that each line has something to do with what each person is hiding from everyone else. Maybe Book was part of the group that was manipulating River?

LOST

Monday, May 3, 2004 4:31 PM

Good question, always sort of threw me for a loop.

What's interesting is that Simon and Jayne both looked at River when they "spoke". Which isn't very surprising if you think that these thoughts were related to her, while the others she just kind of picked up in passing.

I didn't really think that Book's comment was disdain towards Jayne (but I'm an optimist and truly believe that as different as they are, they have become friends). At first I thought he was speaking to River, as she was an "innocent", but I'll admit that doesn't make much sense. I kind of feel that he is chastising himself, new religious guilt warring with his past--whatever that was.

Mal's line, I feel, shows his inner despair. Nothing means a damn thing, as though that is what he truly believes, or maybe is most afraid of. Imagine, you work your whole life to do the right thing, you do right by your people, trustworthy, loyal. But you lose, your world is falling apart, the girl that you love is leaving, isn't that enough to make anyone believe that life is meaningless.

Inara's is towards Mal, I think. She wants him to stop her, or just say anything. Of course, I do really like the idea that it was towards a doctor. I can really see that coming up in a "later" episode, a flashback to Ariel and Inara saying a line from OiS. Which would mean that it would probably happen with the rest of the quotes too, reemerging elsewhere.

Two-cents.

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