MLK assassinated 40 years ago today
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In this time when the Democratic Party is engaged in race related drama let us take the time to reflect that on April 4, 1968 the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered.
Although he is now with the Heavenly Father, we continue to strive for his dream.
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Originally posted by Skywalken:
In this time when the Democratic Party is engaged in race related drama let us take the time to reflect that on April 4, 1968 the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered.
Although he is now with the Heavenly Father, we continue to strive for his dream.
In this time when there I'm just sitting here doing nothing for five minutes let us take the time to reflect that on April 4, 1968 the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered.
We continue to strive for the day when blacks will stop seeing whites as the enemy and for that glorious future when they will stop seeing themselves as "black" and embrace their equality with the other races. We dream of that day when their community rejects the racist and hateful rhetoric so common in their community be in their churches, in their music, or in their own homes. We dream of that day when they vote Republican...just to prove they can (and thus earning themselves a real place in both parties). We dream of that day when we can all laugh together, shop together, worship together, watch the Browns win the Superbowl, and vote for President Condi. Oh...and something about little white kids and black kids playing together.
H
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Originally posted by Hero:
We continue to strive for the day when blacks will stop seeing whites as the enemy and for that glorious future when they will stop seeing themselves as "black" and embrace their equality with the other races.
Are you kidding? There's way too much money at stake to EVER acknowledge the intent and message of Dr. King. His progeny has turned race-card baiting, blackmail, and downright hatred into a billion dollar business for the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, Wright, Farrakhan, rap stars, and many others. There's no money in racial harmony.
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Originally posted by Hero:
We continue to strive for the day when blacks will stop seeing whites as the enemy and for that glorious future when they will stop seeing themselves as "black" and embrace their equality with the other races. We dream of that day when their community rejects the racist and hateful rhetoric so common in their community be in their churches, in their music, or in their own homes. We dream of that day when they vote Republican...just to prove they can (and thus earning themselves a real place in both parties). We dream of that day when we can all laugh together, shop together, worship together, watch the Browns win the Superbowl, and vote for President Condi. Oh...and something about little white kids and black kids playing together.
I usually avoid the RWE, especially discussions like this one. I'm not big on confrontation. But as one of the few black people on this forum (as far as I know), I feel compelled to speak up. Not for my race as a whole, but mostly for myself.
I don't count myself as one of the "blacks" that has committed the aforementioned crimes, so kindly don't lump me in with your distorted bullshit. I don't vote Republican because I don't agree with their outlook on government. I don't see whites as the enemy, I see people in power making idiotic decisions as the enemy (and some of those happen to be black; Condi, I'm looking at you). And If I slam a person at all, it'll be because of something stupid they've done, not some blanket racist rhetoric.
The fact that you seem to lump all black people in that category doesn't exactly reflect well on your character. And that doesn't make you a racist sweetie, just an ignorant asshole.
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The fact that you seem to lump all black people in that category doesn't exactly reflect well on your character. And that doesn't make you a racist sweetie, just an ignorant asshole.
You need to lighten up. Hero's just using a little humor in his acknowledgement of the good of Dr. King. Calling him what you did is an indication of your less-than-stellar character, not his. If you wanna attack someone here, then attack me. I had the gall to say that today's media-appointed Black leaders have none of the virtues of Dr. King.
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Well gee, Jongsstraw, when someone insinuates that most black people behave in a certain (very negative) manner, without any regards for the individual, I get a little peeved. That anyone would consider that humor is a bit of a mystery to me. It doesn't exactly do much to encourage positive race relations.
ETA: I will apologize for the ignorant asshole comment. But in the future, maybe everyone here could attempt to remember that the people we talk about aren't just groups or categories. As an individual, those comments are offensive because they seek to define me as something I'm not. If you really want to acknowledge the good deeds that Dr. King did, there are better ways to do it.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Well gee, Jongsstraw, when someone insinuates that most black people behave in a certain (very negative) manner, without any regards for the individual, I get a little peeved. That anyone would consider that humor is a bit of a mystery to me. It doesn't exactly do much to encourage positive race relations.]
I agree with you if that was the case here. I don't see the "negative manner" you refer to, but you're absolutely correct if you feel that any stereotyping was intended. I regret now posting what I did too, but I'm not going to erase it 'cause that would be hypocritical. I too judge people not by race, but by deeds, and I do deplore stereotyping.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
The fact that you seem to lump all black people in that category doesn't exactly reflect well on your character. And that doesn't make you a racist sweetie, just an ignorant asshole.
Sorry, I was taking Senator Obama at his word when he defended his Pastor's racist rhetoric as being part of the black community.
As for voting Republican...its not about supporting their platform, its about forcing both parties to compete for your vote. Why should Democrats ever work in your interests if they are guarranteed 90% of your vote regardless of what they do? Likewise, why should Republicans work to address African-American issues when they know that no matter what they try to do they will lose 90% of the vote. This is perhaps the biggest failing of the African-American movement...they never progressed from class-based voting, unlike every other minority group. The social progression is from no rights, to suppressed rights, then organization by class (or nationality, occupation, and perhaps geographical location), followed by assimilation by social and economic distinction.
As for lumping people all together, its only natural. By their own choosing I am forced to talk about the black community. If you don't think you fit that community that's between you and them, not you and me.
All I said was that I hoped we could move beyond race at some point and I was critical of the black community and then because you think I'm white you call me an ignorant asshole. Well a white man has as much right to be critical of the black community as a black person. They may not want to hear it...but nobody ever wants to hear it...no matter the color of the commentator, thats why folk like Bill Cosby are occaisonally hammered for encouraging change in their own community rather then lumping all their scorn for percieved white injustice or crazy conspiracy theories.
Nobody in the racial discussion, black or white, is without some measure of blame...in many respects we are all ingnorant assholes. Some by nature, some by choice, and some by mistake. Which are you?
H
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Martin Luther King is a shining example of what is good in America. He stood up to the statis quo. A man of principles. A friend of the working man who was trying to help in a labor dispute. We know not why evil is it just is. He helped his people be a part of the American Dream. Today's issues are not relevant to his time. You don't buck the system not knowing you won't be a target. I think his time here as short as it was he did good. pc
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Originally posted by Hero:
Sorry, I was taking Senator Obama at his word when he defended his Pastor's racist rhetoric as being part of the black community.
As for voting Republican...its not about supporting their platform, its about forcing both parties to compete for your vote. Why should Democrats ever work in your interests if they are guarranteed 90% of your vote regardless of what they do? Likewise, why should Republicans work to address African-American issues when they know that no matter what they try to do they will lose 90% of the vote. This is perhaps the biggest failing of the African-American movement...they never progressed from class-based voting, unlike every other minority group. The social progression is from no rights, to suppressed rights, then organization by class (or nationality, occupation, and perhaps geographical location), followed by assimilation by social and economic distinction.
As for lumping people all together, its only natural. By their own choosing I am forced to talk about the black community. If you don't think you fit that community that's between you and them, not you and me.
All I said was that I hoped we could move beyond race at some point and I was critical of the black community and then because you think I'm white you call me an ignorant asshole. Well a white man has as much right to be critical of the black community as a black person. They may not want to hear it...but nobody ever wants to hear it...no matter the color of the commentator, thats why folk like Bill Cosby are occaisonally hammered for encouraging change in their own community rather then lumping all their scorn for percieved white injustice or crazy conspiracy theories.
Nobody in the racial discussion, black or white, is without some measure of blame...in many respects we are all ingnorant assholes. Some by nature, some by choice, and some by mistake. Which are you?
I'll agree with you that no one in the discussion is without blame. I'll even agree that to a certain extent, we're all ignorant assholes.
But what I don't agree with is the fact that you seem to be assuming if a certain group of characteristics are true about one group of black people, it must apply to every black person. I never asked Obama or his pastor to speak for me. Their opinions of the black community don't necessarily reflect my own. If you really want your message to have an effect on a certain group, you might try looking at them as people with their own ideas and opinions, not mindless drones who follow the word of media personalities.
And as far as having the right to criticize (and calling you an ignorant asshole in the first place), your statement was offensive no matter what race you are. You could be blue with purple spots, and it still would have pissed me off.
And as for voting, I'm personally of the opinion that this country's fucked no matter which party you side with. The Republican and Democratic parties both have messed up ideals that are going to do (and have done) a hell of lot more harm to this country than good. When it comes to my vote, it's just a matter of who's going to do less of the screwing. If the day comes that Republicans have a platform I can agree with, I'll be more than inclined to change my voting habits, and that's regardless of my race or class.
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