River's Brain Scan

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BLINKER

Sunday, May 2, 2004 11:19 PM

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Okay, is it just me, or does this map solve the dispute as to whether the Firefly story is set in a sigular solar system or a much larger universe? These maps look alot like multiple systems composing a universe to me.

Maybe not. I don't see anything FF-related on the map - one of the text blocks even discusses the night sky from Earth. It looks like a generic astronomical map that someone tossed into the press kits as filler.

And I was so looking forward to seeing the layout of the 'verse...

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CYBERSNARK

Sunday, May 2, 2004 11:43 PM

Just a thought on the 'verse:

Contrary to what a lot of shows present, space is really hard to map accurately in two-dimensions.

Part of Firefly's charm is the scientific accuracy whenever possible. That map looks like a standard planet-based starchart (the two circles are north & south hemispheres). Possibly the "standard" nav charts are calculated from the particular ship's location (or from the location of the nearest fixed-location nav-buoy). Meaning that there is no "official" map, since everything would change depending on where in the 'verse you are.

It'd take some kinda advanced training to read those things, which may explain why we rarely hear about anyone renting their own long-range ship, and why Mal and Zoe (who both seem like not inexperianced spacers) needed to hire a pilot. Also may explain why Mal was so quick to hire Wash --a good enough navigator would be able to write his own ticket.

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FORRESTWOLF

Monday, May 3, 2004 12:26 AM

I was wondering if it would resolve the issue, too - then zoomed in and saw the words. No dice - it is indeed a map of the night sky, viewed from Earth. Look at the words, using the hi-res version - it clearly states it's just a star chart from Earth. Strangely reversed, but otherwise it's just a stolen chart for nighttime viewing. Not futuristic or anything. Well, at least Mutant Enemy knows how to save money :)

Whew - I really still want to believe in the one-solar system theory :)

As for the ad, yes - looking at Kelly pictures right now, it's Kelly.

AND back to the original subject - I must say I was quite freaked out when I noticed the brain scan changing before she woke up - raised the hair on the back of my neck. Gotta love those touches in Firefly. I'd vote for it being some sort of glimpse at her abilities, but not a realization about Jayne's betrayal - just my 2 credits worth of guess. Mostly just an extra sort of a hint about River's actual condition (whatever it is).

SHINY

Monday, May 3, 2004 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Blinker:
Maybe not. I don't see anything FF-related on the map - one of the text blocks even discusses the night sky from Earth. It looks like a generic astronomical map that someone tossed into the press kits as filler.

Yup. I googled different phrases from the paragraph on the FF star charts and found:

"The stars of earth’s night sky seem to hang like tranquil lanterns, filling us with wonder. They inspire great works of art, and tempt our imaginations into creating stories and myths from the shapes we see."
http://www.astrolink.de/h/h022301/0-7922-9326-6.htm

"Time Exposures: The Hubble Telescope Views the Universe From Space
The stars of earth’s night sky appear as tranquil lanterns—the violence of their births, lives, and deaths obscured by vast distances. In the seven years since its launch, the Hubble Space Telescope has done more than perhaps any other astronomical device to reveal the secret lives of stars."
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/9704/hilights.html

Finally, here is the actual star chart that appears to have been re-colored and duplicated to form the FF star charts:
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/stars/chart/index.html

What? Did you think the Zoic folks were paid enough to actually create whole galaxies from scratch???

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RANGRBOB

Monday, May 3, 2004 8:23 AM

Remaining off topic with the rest...

Even if it is a generic map it does not mean that it could not represent the multisystem domain of the Aliance. It just means Zodiac used what they had. Also, if it is not a map then why would Wash have used it to determine where to go to find a doctor for Book in Safe.

HELL'S KITTEN

Monday, May 3, 2004 1:12 PM

Also...along the same non-topic topic...in the intro to the promo tape of Train Job, Book says in his narrative that there are hundreds of terraformed planets that were all united under the Alliance rule. Now, I'm no astro-physicist, but having hundreds of planets in one solar system just doesn't seem feasible. You can terraform a planet all you want, but if it's too close or too far from the sun, y'ain't gonna be livin' there.

Now, back to the topic...I watched Ariel last night and paid close attention to River's brain scan. Her eyes are closed when Jayne says that the plans have changed, then the scan goes all wiggy, then she opens her eyes, looks at it for a few, then gets all panicy saying that "they come when you call them" or somesuch. I figured that whole thing meant that she knew Jayne was lying and that the Blue Hands were on their way. Not that she diagnosed herself...which doesn't really make a whole lotta sense to me.

Wow, okay, that's enough. I'm gettin' awfully wordy for a lurker; going back to lurking now.

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, May 3, 2004 2:47 PM

I will have to go back & rewatch Ariel tonight, but I had assumed that River's reaction was to her picking up on Jayne's lie and his intent to betray them, perhaps she even picked up on the approach of the Feds. I had never thought that her reaction might be to the scan hovering above her head.

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JUMPY

Monday, May 3, 2004 3:23 PM

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Now, back to the topic...I watched Ariel last night and paid close attention to River's brain scan. Her eyes are closed when Jayne says that the plans have changed, then the scan goes all wiggy, then she opens her eyes, looks at it for a few, then gets all panicy saying that "they come when you call them" or somesuch. I figured that whole thing meant that she knew Jayne was lying and that the Blue Hands were on their way. Not that she diagnosed herself...which doesn't really make a whole lotta sense to me.

Yep I totally agree with you on that, seems more feasible and a little more obvious than her "diagnosing" herself

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LOST

Monday, May 3, 2004 3:58 PM

Okay, I'm a little confused, and I think that the best way to solve that is just to go back and watch the episode again, but I was under the impression that Jayne saying, "There's been a change of plans" was actually him changing the plans.

What I mean was, I think that at that moment he decided not to turn them in and that's why he wanted to book it out of there early and take a different path. After all, wouldn't it have just been easier to have waited the extra couple of minutes and let the Doc and his sister get pinched on the way out?

Maybe I'm just mad, but anyone with me on this?

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WANGENSTEIN

Monday, May 3, 2004 10:25 PM

If that was the case, why did he still take them out the front (or back, or whereever didn't lead to Mal and company), right where the feds were? Besides, he didn't seem surprised to see the feds there, just surprised that he got double-crossed. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure it squares with what happened.

BTW, it occured to me that River's lines about 'They took away Christmas' may have been aimed at Jayne regarding his being double-crossed. Perhaps she 'read' his disappointment and with her brain twisted as it is, it came out with an xmas bent to it.

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