Wash and Book, resurrection wrongness

POSTED BY: Gilead
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:18
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SPACEANJL

Friday, March 28, 2008 10:20 AM

As somebody who has had the, er, privilege of seeing an idea, complete with dialogue, appear up on screen unexpectedly before now...the only way to deal is to leave the fandom.

On the plus side, I believe that Joss admitted that the Spike/Buffy arc was inspired by the will of fans. So I'm still hoping for that call to join the new FF script-writing team...

YOSHOSEDAI

Friday, March 28, 2008 12:43 PM

Not to speak too badly of the departed, but are we really sure the whole Spike/Buffy relationship was a good thing? Anywho onto the real topic, maybe it is just me but i usually avoid fanfics that "Take Place after the BDM, but Wash and Book or one of the two didn't die."

Please don't take this the wrong way i love Wash and Book but i am one of those fans that like my fanfic to follow the verse. (steps down from soapbox) That said if it is done right it might work the problem is getting over that credibility gap.

So, why do you write these strong female characters?

Because you're still asking me that question.

Joss Whedon-Equality Now acceptance speech

MAL4PREZ

Friday, March 28, 2008 2:25 PM

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Originally posted by Gilead:
Perhaps we have a semantics issue here. But an interesting topic nonetheless. Of course the What I meant is that, from what I've come to understand, if a fan comes up with an idea, concept, or plot device related to series and documents it (eg. with a posting), and a similar idea is later used in a similar context in the series in question...

From what I hear (I just looove hearsay expertise LOL!) show writers avoid fanfic so that there can be no claim of copying. It makes sense. If I ever invented a verse that got fanfic written about it, I'd stay away too, just so my vision wouldn't get clouded.

And to suggest that fanfic - which explores just about every possible nook and cranny of the material - can make any kind of legal claim or prohibit Joss's creative freedom.... Well, that's just silly!

Not to say there isn't pressure in the form of fans asking things like "when're Buffy and Spike gonna do it? Huh? Huh?" and he may have wanted to appease. But I don't think Joss is combing through our stuff for ideas. He's got plenty of his own. Anyway, I'm sure his plans for Wash and Book are set, since he's hinted that they would be included in later movies in some mysterious way. Some mysterious but *already decided* way. (Is my take...)

Postulate your ideas freely, I don't think it'll bug him at all.

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COZEN

Friday, March 28, 2008 3:19 PM

Mourn for Book and Wash, otherwise I say, "Leave 'em alone." Dead is dead. It's supposed to hurt. This ain't the Buffy/Angel 'verse, and that's my point. Perhaps Joss's point, too, but I dare not actually speak for what goes on in that brilliant writer's brainpan.

There is no great achievement attained without some risk, there are no wars fought without loss. To portray anything less would be trivial.

GILEAD

Saturday, March 29, 2008 5:34 AM

There have been so many posts, I'm just going to try to cover them all without quotes.

1) I'm not really talking about fans making legal claims. I'm talking about writers/creators avoiding us and our ideas for appearance's sake. Bummer (or neat, I guess) about the person who actually had their idea appear on screen unexpectedly. Was that an idea/fanfic that you'd posted?

2) Wash/Book. I don't like the 'they didn't die' stories either. Not the 'it didn't happen' versions. Resurrection stories definitely have a high burden to bear to be plausible and avoid cheapening the event. My idea goes a different but not dissimilar direction from a post I read some months back on a way to bring at least Wash back with some plausibility. I don't remember who posted it, but let's call it the 'at best freshly dead' hypothesis. Basically that idea was that the Alliance, who were near on the scene, put Wash's still-warm corpse on ice for interrogation purposes. I won't go over the various hoops that were required for that one, but it was a neat concept.

Only, my path would put Zoe through a lot more hurtin' than she deserves, over a considerable stretch of time that would probably still best end with a nice quiet grave. Fans of Joss should have absorbed by now that, even in the 'Verse, he has an at best blurry concept of dead. Oh, he can do death. And when he means it, he means it. But he also has that special writer's gift to make people come to accept it, or even better... want it. The last thing I'd ever want is to cheapen the loss, no matter how much my idea would probably stir it up.

There's also hair product.

Gilead

SPACEANJL

Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Gilead:

1) I'm not really talking about fans making legal claims. I'm talking about writers/creators avoiding us and our ideas for appearance's sake. Bummer (or neat, I guess) about the person who actually had their idea appear on screen unexpectedly. Was that an idea/fanfic that you'd posted?

Yeah, another idea in a totally different fandom...At first I just thought 'wow, that was odd.' And then one of the actors on the show was being interviewed and came out with a paragraph that was pretty much word for word something I'd come up with for the character. At that point, I decided that I was going to stop - either they were nicking my ideas or someone was reading my mind!

*SpaceAnJL adjusts her tinfoil hat* Pretty cunning, dontcha think? I'm all better now - me and the voices do just as we like...

GILEAD

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 2:01 AM

"A bit of respect Wash...
...you're among the dead."

Gilead

Mal: Cattle on the ship three weeks, she don't go near 'em. Suddenly we're on Jianying, and she's got a driving need to commune with the beasts?
River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see sky, and they remember what they are.
Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

AGATSU

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 7:47 AM

OMG Wash n Book r dedd? ohnooooes!11!1

Please don't use spoilers in the headlines.

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MICJWELCH

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 3:48 PM

Here's what bugs me. We have so many people that say this ain't Buffy, and we can't just go resurrecting people. Uh, we already have. Two examples:

"You died Mr. Reynolds."

and

"What'd y'all order a dead guy for?"

"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."

AGATSU

Tuesday, April 8, 2008 4:45 PM

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Originally posted by micjwelch:
Here's what bugs me. We have so many people that say this ain't Buffy, and we can't just go resurrecting people. Uh, we already have. Two examples:

"You died Mr. Reynolds."

and

"What'd y'all order a dead guy for?"

Both instances you refer to happened under controlled circumstances and are hardly comparable to a sudden telephone pole through the chest during a full-on Reaver attack...

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