You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright ???

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HKCAVALIER

Monday, March 24, 2008 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by antimason:
this whole situation would be irrelevant today, had Obama just been upfront from the beginning, and actually told us, himself, what he believes in. God forbid someone in the media ask him such a specific question as to avoid any ambiguity, but i digress...
i suppose i dont expect anymore from a liberal, unless its politically expedient of course

??? He has spoken at length about his Christian faith, his love of the United States, his commitment to community, etc. He wrote a book on what he believes called The Audacity of Hope. So, I don't think the problem is that he's never told us what he believes in. It troubles me no end that people take the soundbites they hear on the news at face value and assume that they can form informed opinions based upon them alone. We bitch constantly about the mainstream media and turn right around and form or oppinions based on their half-truths.
That a lot of people like spouting off about all this without doing 5 minutes' research or bothering to tune into Obama's speeches and speaking appearances, doesn't help.

I think the problem is that folk don't believe him, are prejudiced against him for any number of reasons (not the least of which being that he's a politician) and continue to look for evidence that who he claims to be is a big fat lie. I think our political discussions on this board and at large have devolved into a pathetic game of "Gotcha!" No one wants to really talk about anything anymore, they just want to find the magic "gotcha!" factoid that allows them to dismiss their opposition out of hand.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, March 24, 2008 8:23 PM

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Kirkules wrote:
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:18
I refuse to feel any guit about slavery. My ancestors came to this county only about a hundred years ago from a country that abolished the slave trade in 1776. Obama's family is much more likely to have been involve with the slave trade than mine. His African born father's family could have been rounding up slaves from other tribes for foreign sale for a hundred years after my ancestors abolished slavery.

It was a huge mistake for Obama to fall into Hillary's trap and bring race into the contest. His popularity among whites was partially due to the image he was projecting as a uniter of races. Now he's just another black dude running for President.

And Yes, Cantakesky you would be disqualified from being President in my book. If you were an adult when you attended the sexist church and continued to go even after their beliefs were known to you. Doesn't mean you aren't a good person, just means you don't have the leadership skills required to be President. A leader is someone that stands up for their beliefs even when they are not popular in the group they are currently in.

Nobody is asking you to feel guilty about slavery, but you should understand that as a white man or woman you have reaped the benifits of slavery, even if none of your ancestors never owned a slave. You enjoy white privlage and your white privlage has come at the exspense of others mainly Black Americans, you also benifit from the wealth of this country which was built off the blood sweat and tears of Black slaves, to this very day you benifit.

you can't help your whiteness no more then a black person can help their blackness, you were born into an unjust and unfair system, the diffrence is the system benefits you at the exspense of others.

So even though you may not like hearing the truth, it doesn't change it, and its natural, its human nature for a person that benifits from such a system to ingnore it, or deny it because to own it that might actually mean you would have to do something about it.

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..But I find the vitriol towards him and people like him amusing, especially since the likelihood of anybody posting something like this to be listing the horrible preachings of Falwel or Dobson almost nil, even while the both of them have been so closely associated with party politics for so long. .

I too find it amsusing very amsusing

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, March 24, 2008 8:31 PM

Obama was raised by his mother and her family so I doubt seriously if he hates whitey as you put it.

but I'm just amazed how so many people are feining sudden ignorance about the black church and what it represents to black people, its always been more then a church , its been a place where people have organized politcally and socially, and techinquely a black person in American can't be a racist, they can react to racism, and they can be prejudiced, but they don't have the power to be racist, and since there are so many people on this forum who think they are so smart and so educated I would have thought they would at the very least known and understood that.

FLETCH2

Monday, March 24, 2008 8:38 PM

My people were enslaved by the Romans, are Italians responsable for that since they theoretically have some benefits as a result?

What about indentured servants, what about people who worked in exploitive labour conditions? I doubt very much that any modern American benefits in any substantial way from slave labour over a hundred years ago. The question isn't economic or historical, it's day to day abuse and prejustice. It's nothing to do with what people did 200 years ago as what happens now.

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, March 24, 2008 11:09 PM

now either you don't know anything about the history of your own country, or your trying to be ignorant on purpose!!

which is it?

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, March 24, 2008 11:28 PM

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Dead serious. And what's all this talk about " use to " ? Obama still attends or is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ. And technically speaking , Rev Wright keeps being described as " retired' . He was set to retire " officially " from the church at the end of the month, March 31st. Since all this fuss exploded, he's shipped himself off to Africa, on "sabbatical " , away from prying reporters

Obama has every right to keep Rev Wright as his pastor, why should he denounce him, if thats the case he would have to denounce practically every black person in America, it would be extremely hypocritcal and callous of him to do that when Rev Wright has not done anything wrong.

you might not like what he said or how he said it and its your right to disagree, but he didn't do anything wrong and he certainly hasn't said anything new!!

I'm happy to see that there is at least one politican out there who isn't a complete hypocrite and has some values and standards.

maybe you should heed Obama's words of wisdom, when he said this is all spectle and distraction and if your foolish enough to fall for it next election cycle it will be some other distraction, you do have a choice.

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, March 24, 2008 11:58 PM

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No I didn’t miss that point either, but you however, have a knack for hypocrisy. First you dismiss the racism of one man because he supports a candidate you sympathize with while condemning another man who doesn’t support that candidate. And now you make personal attacks against me, while accusing me of showing contempt for those who disagree with me. When in fact, I have no contempt at all for you, other then your personal attacks of me.

how do you qualify REV Wright as being a racist, first off he was speaking the truth, secondly black people in America cannot be racist, they can react to racism but they can be prejudice, but racist no. also just because the man is pro black doesn't mean he's against white people, he doesn't own the church and I seriously doubt if they would let a racist preach in their congregation, Rev Wrights mentor happens to be a white man himself. you should really do your research before you make false claims and statements obviously you've been watching to much Fox news and sound bites.

KIRKULES

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
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Dead serious. And what's all this talk about " use to " ? Obama still attends or is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ. And technically speaking , Rev Wright keeps being described as " retired' . He was set to retire " officially " from the church at the end of the month, March 31st. Since all this fuss exploded, he's shipped himself off to Africa, on "sabbatical " , away from prying reporters

Obama has every right to keep Rev Wright as his pastor, why should he denounce him, if that's the case he would have to denounce practically every black person in America, it would be extremely hypocritical and callous of him to do that when Rev Wright has not done anything wrong.

you might not like what he said or how he said it and its your right to disagree, but he didn't do anything wrong and he certainly hasn't said anything new!!

I'm happy to see that there is at least one politician out there who isn't a complete hypocrite and has some values and standards.

maybe you should heed Obama's words of wisdom, when he said this is all spectle and distraction and if your foolish enough to fall for it next election cycle it will be some other distraction, you do have a choice.

I agree with you, if Obama's the man he claims to be, it would be "hypocritical and callous of him" to condemn his mentor/pastor of 20 years(or is it 15 now). The only problem is that if Obama embraces Rev. Wright, the superdelegates in the Democrat party will give the nomination to Clinton. Then all those enthusiastic blacks and young people will stay home on election day, giving McCain the White House. Obama needs to decide pretty quick if he really wants to be President or is standing by his pastor/mentor more important. If he does want the Presidency he better throw Wright under the bus now and try to salvage whats left of his campaign. His poll numbers are dropping fast so he better decide quick.

ANTIMASON

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
??? He has spoken at length about his Christian faith, his love of the United States, his commitment to community, etc. He wrote a book on what he believes called The Audacity of Hope.

i havent read his book, i doubt more then a fraction of the population has. maybe, rather then read a book to find out a presidential candidates real views, they could just address them up front, especially in light of a media circus event such as this. given that a lot of liberals have a sort of resentment for American capitalism, in my mind, finding the motivation to read Obamas book is akin to reading Quigleys tragedy and hope, or some other socialist writing(not at the top of my priority list in other words). maybe im a bit of a purest, and skeptic, but i have a hard time reconciling socialist principles, with the bible, since the two are antithetical to each other in there truest forms. i am not judging Obama as Gods servant, but as a politician, since his verbage and terminology and phrases strike me as very humanistic at times. have you taken a glance at Obamas policies? i dont believe we are out of line in asking for some clarification

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So, I don't think the problem is that he's never told us what he believes in. It troubles me no end that people take the soundbites they hear on the news at face value and assume that they can form informed opinions based upon them alone. We bitch constantly about the mainstream media and turn right around and form or oppinions based on their half-truths.

i personally couldnt care less, im not voting for the guy cause hes a socialist, with the same donors as the other two CFR globalists running. the problem is, i dont believe him

and its not cause hes black. actually, his race is only an issue to the democrats, since they nominated the guy! if he were a republican, we'd judge the guy based on his merit and principles... not his minority status and cultural differences

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 3:17 AM

Hey antimason,

I was not suggesting that you shoulda read his book (topped the NY Times Best Sellers List, so a bunch of people have read it, btw). I mentioned the book to say, "The guy has even written a book about his beliefs." His beliefs are not hidden. If you cared enough to do 5 minutes of research, you could know all of his beliefs before you make comments that only express your own ignorance of the man. And by research, I simply mean googling some speeches or visiting YouTube for his many public statements about his beliefs. Why do you insist that his beliefs are somehow obscure?

I don't think it's reasonable for you to claim that the man needs to state his beliefs up front when you haven't even been paying attention.

I knew he was a member of a Black Liberation Theology church a year ago. I knew all the stuff folks are making hay with a year ago because the information was readily available then as it is now.

It's not just you, of course. There's this bizarre meme running around the interenet and the mainstream media that Obama is some kind of "man without a past," a "mystery man" which fits snuggly into folks conspiracy theories about him being a "muslim sleeper-cell" or some such utter horseshit. Jeez, this is the internet--just go to wikipedia fer cryin' out loud and get the guy's life story. The guy's written two biographical books, his past is not something the guy is trying to hide ( Aha! He must have written the books BECAUSE he's trying to hide his REAL past! Yeah, that's the ticket! ).

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Originally posted by antimason:
maybe, rather then read a book to find out a presidential candidates real views, they could just address them up front, especially in light of a media circus event such as this.

Honestly, antimason, how would you know if he had or not? Do you assume the mainstream media is gonna tell you? Where are you getting your information about Barack Obama?

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maybe im a bit of a purest, and skeptic, but i have a hard time reconciling socialist principles, with the bible, since the two are antithetical to each other in there truest forms.

Good grief, nothing in the real world exists "in there truest forms." Not socialism, not capitalism, not christianity.

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have you taken a glance at Obamas policies? i dont believe we are out of line in asking for some clarification

Where are you getting your information, from the folks posting on this board?

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actually, his race is only an issue to the democrats, since they nominated the guy!

More "???" from me on this one. I can't make out what you're trying to say.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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