Obama's speech, and my daughter's tears

POSTED BY: RocketJock
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CEBO

Monday, March 24, 2008 5:25 AM

I personnally do not favor one cannadate over another. The reason why i do not is because

Billary is running on sexisum

obama's running on raceisum

and Mcain is running on I am the only republican... vote for me!!!

So i'm going to vote for mcain and hope he dies in office. Then maybe we can get a president who will get something done!!!

heven forbid that from happening

HKCAVALIER

Monday, March 24, 2008 6:04 AM

Tankobite,

What's your point? Who lies about a thing like that?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

TANKOBITE

Monday, March 24, 2008 1:28 PM

Oddly enough, you're the first person to hint that he's "lying" about it.

My point only is: as a person who lives in the Fort Leavenworth area, I heard my town mentioned, and then used in a way that wasn't possible. I chalked it up as a mistake (though why he'd know Fort Leavenworth's name is a bit odd) or that he simply wanted pad his family history by using a military sounding name to cater to that vote. Don't take it any further then that; I don't like discussing my politics with people on the internet, so I don't.

Though you do ask a valid question, if he his lying about a thing like this, what does that say about him and they way he's been portraying himself as a candidate of change?

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There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Monday, March 24, 2008 1:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tankobite:
No, it isn't.

Considering that gasoline was being rationed and the commute to work thing is a modern phenomena. Not to mention its doubtful someone who could afford a car (especially since Obama used the words "survived the depression" so I doubt they were rich) in the wake of the Great Depression (or that a woman would be able to drive it, remember it was a different time back then). Add to the fact that she wouldn't be able to live in Fort Leavenworth, which destroys that part of the commute theory. And for the clincher, his exact words were
Quote:
bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth
, so I think that puts that theory to rest.

Like I said, I'm not criticizing him for it; I just thought it was funny.

Also, as to the point about all great and important speeches not being revered in their time...sounds like you guys revere this one already.

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There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

No commuting, car pooling or buses during the war? http://www.nps.gov/pwro/collection/website/jean.htm

Please do some research before you state "facts".
ETA: and you can, in fact, live in Leavenworth Kansas.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

ROCKETJOCK

Monday, March 24, 2008 2:25 PM

It sounds to me as though Obama was recalling something his Grandmother might have mentioned in passing over the dinner table, or at a family reunion, and got a detail wrong. Or, as suggested, she might have lived one place and worked at another. (Defense plant workers did, I believe, get the preferred ration sticker for gasoline. (There was, according to Wikipedia, no actual shortage of gasoline, but rationing gas was a good way to cut down on the use of automobile tires--which were in short supply.))

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

TANKOBITE

Monday, March 24, 2008 4:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:

No commuting, car pooling or buses during the war? http://www.nps.gov/pwro/collection/website/jean.htm

Please do some research before you state "facts".
ETA: and you can, in fact, live in Leavenworth Kansas.

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

I never said it didn't happen, I meant that it didn't happen as often as it did today; you didn't take what I said cars to mean that there were no cars in WWII, did you?

Also http://www.fff.org/freedom/0395d.asp,

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military preemption of public transportation interfered with intercity travel by civilians, and rationing of tires and gasoline made commuting to work very difficult for many workers.

is what I was using. I still think its unlikely because of how small Leavenworth's population is today and how far away KC is even with modern vehicle speeds (~45 minutes ) it just doesn't seem likely that the government would bother paying for a few people from Leavenworth to come down to KC to work, when there would still be plenty of people living in KC who were unemployed at the time. But this is still irrelevant because you're just saying that it is possible that she lived there, and there's still no proof of it.

Amazingly, I do know that you "CAN" in fact live in Leavenworth, Kansas because I do. However living in Leavenworth and commuting to work in Kansas City is till a far cry from (and I'm quoting directly from the speech here) "a bomb assembly line at Fort Leavenworth", and until you prove that she lived there, it doesn't make sense. It is also possible to live in Fort Leavenworth, but you have to be stationed there and since his grandfather was overseas fighting with Patton's Third Army and that still doesn't explain how she worked on the nonexistent bomber factories in Fort Leavenworth.

I suppose though the next big flaw in the statement is probably that his grandparents are from El Dorado and Wichita area (and that's where I've read that the grandmother worked-at the Boeing plant, which is there) but Wichita is several hours away (on the order of four or five) from Leavenworth by modern car travel. Besides, you're shifting the burden of proof; you need to prove that there was a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth at this time, which there wasn't. I've contacted the Fort Leavenworth Historical society on this one.

Finally, I'll remind you that the exact word were "bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth". Not Kansas City, not Wichita, but Fort Leavenworth. Arguing about a commute is irrelevant because the commute would have to be to Fort Leavenworth, not from it. Take my post for what it was; a guy who hears about the town his family settled in, in the news, but in a way that doesn't make any sense. I just thought it was funny and I still do. If I were you, I'd shrug it off as a slip of the tongue (like I did...)

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There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

KIRKULES

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:48 AM

Looks like Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius got the story right in her speech in January.

"They married in the early days of World War II. Stanley enlisted in the Army shortly after Pearl Harbor was bombed, and he served under Gen. George S. Patton. Obama's mother was born on the Army base Ft. Leavenworth, and Madelyn worked on a bomber assembly line."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-obama30jan30,1
,4880993.story

Sounds like Obama's mom was born at the military base in Leavenworth and his grandmother Madelyn worked at a bomber plant somewhere else in Kansas.

TANKOBITE

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:56 AM

Yeah, I saw that article and I wrote to the author about it. Still awaiting a response.

http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/barack_obama.htm says

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Stanley Ann DUNHAM was born on 27 November 1942 in Wichita, Kansas and died 7 November 1995 of ovarian cancer.

which makes sense if the grandmother was working in Wichita on the Boeing line like I've read. Fort Leavenworth just doesn't make sense.

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There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:00 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
...housing crisis... the Iraq "war" is finally over... when Haliburton has to pay taxes... when the Constitution in general stops getting pissed on by the people who claim to protect it...

So, I'm confused... You're not voting for Obama why?
Cuz dude, McCain has said he can picture 100 years in Iraq, he's all about military. And if you think he's gonna stop giving breaks to Haliburton and companies like it, you really need to pull your head out. Everything you've talked about there came from Bush and those like him. It's madness to vote for the same kind of guy and expect a different result.
Obama has said nothing, as far as I can tell, that you would disagree with. End the war, end tax breaks for big corporations who are sending jobs overseas, stimulate the economy, not with a few checks for a few hundred dollars, but with better education and better business models and new companies doing new things, help those in the housing crisis rather than just helping out the banks. Also the fact that he was a civil rights lawyer, has studied and taught the Constitution, and has endless respect for it, thinks the warrantless wiretaps, etc. are a disgrace... Have you been listening at all? Seriously?
Just curious.

DISCLAIMER: You know how I get in here PR, so don't let my reply suprise you....

So you've bought into his bullshit line too. He's a snake with a silver tounge, and the fact that so many people are so happy about him makes me trust him even less. He's a politician, and more importantly, he's a politician from Mayor Daley's machine in Illinois.

If he cared one minute for civil rights and had "endless respect" for the Constitution, he would be just as adamant against the Real ID act as Ron Paul is. As it is, the only reason he doesn't support the Real ID as it is written is because of the high costs being passed onto the states. (Of course a Democratic presidential nominee would be thinking about paying this at a Federal level and we'd all be paying for it anyways with the higher taxes we'll be enevitably paying. At least those of us who are working anyways).

Now, dont' get me wrong, I agree there needs to be a ton of change. I'm sure as hell not voting for McCain because I think the only man running from the start who was more blatenly evil on face value was "Mr 9/11". I had a little party when he dropped out of the race.

Sadly, as it stands now, Hilary has my vote. As sick as it sounds, she is the lesser of three evils. I would rather have socialized healthcare than Obama's mandated laws on healthcare for children. I've already had a thread about how his healhcare plan scares the shit out of me. To cure the helthcare problem, you're going to need a lot more than band-aids in the form of laws which could one day see the Goverment take your kids away from you. You need to go to the source. Ron Paul was the only candidate who would have taken the correct action on this.

And anyways, I prefer this column on racism by Jason Whitlock (a black man), than Obama's 37 minute speech of things that I've heard before, but not from a man the media is setting up to be the next Jesus.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7955740/Am-I-supposed-to-be-mad-abo
ut-LeBron?MSNHPHCP>1=39002

And his middle name is Hussain, and all the racist black preachers from the past are not going to convince me that if he isn't a Muslim that he doesn't at least have strong Muslim sympathies and loyalties given his background.

This isn't a racist thing. All three candidates are shit. Put Al Sharpton up there against them in November and I'll sure as hell vote for him before any one of those three.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

CANTTAKESKY

Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:52 AM

Rocket,

That was a pretty moving and persuasive essay you wrote at the top of this thread. I checked out Obama's speech, and you're right. That was one hell of a tearjerker. Makes you feel hope and resolve and everything good that a leader is supposed to inspire.

I like Obama. He's a nice guy, and no matter how much I disagree with him, I respect his passion and his leadership.

But I don't think his vision is what is best for this country. None of the top 3 candidates are. He may be the best out of the lot, but I don't think voting is about settling. I think voting is about fighting for what you believe in.

And Obama simply doesn't stand for what I believe in. We agree about bring our troops home. But that's about it. For me, a more perfect union is far, far away from where he wants to take it.

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It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.
--Justice Robert H. Jackson

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