Criminally Careless Use of Science, Without Knowledge

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 15:19
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KIRKULES

Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:24 PM

For years scientists and politicians have been telling us that smokers and fat people need to pay for the excess cost of their health care costs. Now a new study shows just the opposite is true. Maybe we should start encouraging people to smoke and eat fatty foods as a way of saving tax dollars.

"Smokers and the obese cheaper to care for, study shows"
"Preventing obesity and smoking can save lives, but it does not save money, according to a new report".
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/05/healthscience/obese.php

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:00 PM

Frem: BTW, while I find it touching that you came to 6ix's defense

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You assholes whinge about us {smokers} poisoning your air, and yet somehow it's not ok for us to whinge about y'all poisoning our water ?

that's not who he blamed and not what he wrote.

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Let's party like it's 1929.

SERGEANTX

Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:15 PM

I for one would like to see science take ethical issues more seriously. Something like a Hippocratic Oath applied to other disciplines. I suppose they already have these sorts of things out there, but I'd like to see them elevated to the forefront. We'll be waiting for a long time if we're thinking that politics or religion or going to lead us out of this mess.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:33 PM

How bout you ask him what he meant, then ?

No, it didn't come across so well, but that is what I got as the gist of it - your mileage may vary, but he's right there to ask, so I think we should do so.

As for those pesky folk who exposed this, good on them, that's what they SHOULD be doing, and I think a little housecleaning is in order by using peer-review to put the arm on some of the "pet" research folk instead of looking the other way out of professional solidarity - we're finally seeing SOME beginnings to that, but the problem is that a lot of the stuff coming out because of it contradicts what folks WANT to believe.

No profession is immune to corruption, it would be laughable to believe it is, but in the field of science corruption can be dangerous on a scale that's pretty vast even if it's not immediately visible.

And so I think a lower tolerance for it would be justified.

Same thing I just said, mind - only using a lot more words to do it.

-F

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:49 PM

Scientists should be ethical?

What about calling for corporations to be ethical? After all, aren't they driving the crisis? Or do they get to be sociopathic actors because we just can't imagine anything different?

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 14, 2008 2:25 AM

Erk?

I think you might have me confused with someone else, given that i'm all in favor of downright violence in response to injury or abuse at the hands of corporations - not to mention the fact that imma IWW member.

How bout some idea of how to force them to be, since every time unions and labor have tried it, the Gov has stepped in on the corpie side ?

How bout some answer to the fact that they can outright buy laws, politicians, ad campaigns at whim, while us on the recieving end can't ?

Us peons have tried it, repeatedly, look at the history, and mostly all we got was our ass kicked, with the Gov that is supposed to keep them in line helping it right along.

You got any ideas on the matter I'd sure hell like to hear em.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, March 14, 2008 5:58 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Personally, I find this a million times more offensive than my personal choice to smoke and the idea that you might have to breath it in when you're going to the bar to poison your livers. Especially since, unlike beer, EVERYBODY needs to drink water.

My water tastes fine...but if you are really concerned, I suggest Diet Dr. Pepper (tastes like Regular Dr. Pepper...just no calories).

Oh, you might like this:

http://www.ameribev.org/industry-issues/healthy-balanced-diet/beverage
-ingredients/soft-drink-ingredients/index.aspx

H

There ya go, drink Diet Dr. Pepper with saccharin so you get cancer and die, then don't need to worry about drug in the water. great.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 14, 2008 6:24 AM

Err, he was being ironic and sarcastic (when isn't he) he knows that.

Only it's Aspartame, not Saccharin, which is even worse, meh.

-F

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 14, 2008 9:15 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
6ix- Once again you're putting the blame squarely where it doesn't belong (scientists) just to protect your personal sacred cow (corporations).

So, since I now know you're an anti-science anarchist, OOC how would pro-corporate anarchism obviate this problem, exactly? I mean, isn't it those wonderful corporations who took those scientific discoveries like antibiotics and anti-convulsants and Viagra and birth-control pills and put them into full production to "give people what they want"?

I'll bet, when we discover that the nanoparticles discovered by scientists and so gleefully and precipitously adopted by industry have invaded our neurons, you'll be there with a pitchfork and stave, totally ignoring corporate/ capitalist responsibility.

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Wow Signy.... And you'd think you would know me by now.

I don't blame the scientists at all. I blame all of the gullible little idiots who idolize science and scientists as the end all be all to any conclusion they make about their own life decisions and in turn force their views about how others should live and behave on everyone else. (Very similar to how a religious person might do the very same thing, in the name of God or Allah or Zeus... and we all know how the Spaghetti worshipers react to that). This is particulary infuriating when one study has them believing something as absolute truth one day and another study comes out a week later telling them to believe the exact opposite. Sometimes, there are multiple scientific studies by the so-called "experts" at the same time which give evidence in direct contradiction to each other, leaving the easily manipulated scieneophiles to just pick a side and fight amongst each other.

I'm talking about the Surgeon General coming out and telling everyone that I am destroying the Ozone layer with my smoking and killing babies by giving them SIDS. Then the same assholes never come out and tell the public, "HEY! YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL BE STERILE AND BARREN BECAUSE OF GENERATIONS OF YOU DRINKING THE LEFTOVER SHIT FROM THE PILLS BIG PHARMA HAS BEEN SHOVING DOWN YOUR GULLIBLE DIPSHIT THROATS!!!"

I'm really just giving a big

to any asshole hypocrite who would infringe upon my right to smoke while mindlessly popping pills which I will, and am currently, ingesting second-hand just because they aren't happy or don't feel good or their parents didn't love them enough.

Did you know that in the hometown I grew up in, it is now a punishable offence to be caught smoking a cigerette outside of your home, even if it is on your own property?

Is this the America you want to live in? Is that the America our forefathers envisioned?

As for the rest of your anti-6ix rant, I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. You must be mistaking me with somebody else if you believe that I think corporations are my sacred cow. I hate the man just as much as the next guy. Whether the man be cops or judges or lawyers or corporations. Just ask my boy Hero....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:03 AM

Don't I at least deserve to hear you defend your accusations of me Signy? There were some pretty harsh posts up there about me which I believe to be so unabashedly misguided that I'd like you to defend them now.

I believe your dilemma here is that in your mind anyone who is bullheaded enough to not believe everything that the "experts" tell us, and anyone who doesn't buy into Science as the greatest thing mankind has ever accomplished, must be a Neo-Con, pro-corpo, religious zealot.

I know that would make it very simple to argue my thoughts here the way that you have if I were so easily pigeonholed as you would have done to me here.

I don't think that it's necessary for me to dig up tons of threads which would paint a very different picture of me than you have tried to here. I believe my track record in the RWED speaks for itself.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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