Sarah Conner Intro Spiel Falsehood?

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JONGSSTRAW

Monday, March 10, 2008 12:48 PM

The opening monologue of Sarah Connor has been criticized since the first week about the "one to protect him" line. We really do not know at this point if this is just a callous error, or if there is some yet-to-be-seen storyline which might make the statement accurate. I personally think there is more to Summer's Cameron than we know about so far.

CYBERSNARK

Monday, March 10, 2008 1:26 PM

Yes. Cameron almost certainly has her own agenda.

I have a pet theory that she's actually from even further ahead in time than the T-888s we've seen. Maybe from a truly post-human world (after the resistance is wiped out.

Maybe something happened to make Skynet realize that it needs humans, so "double-future" Skynet sent Cameron back to adult-John's era to alter the far-future.

Then John sent Cameron further back (or, alternately, she took it upon herself to come back), to the "present" of the story.

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ZEEK

Monday, March 10, 2008 3:14 PM

The writing for that show is abysmal at times. There are so many lines like this where if you turn your brain on they just don't make any sense.

I can't imagine the scripts ever get proof read. Maybe there aren't even scripts. They just hold up a cue card that says, "say something poignant here".

Yet for some reason I'm still watching. It's sorta like Lost. I keep watching even though I hate the writing of that show. I guess I just follow through once I've invested in something. The networks must love viewers like me.

EARLYWARNING

Monday, March 10, 2008 3:32 PM

People get so tied up with the timeline they forget it is the most important plot device. Once you introduce Time Travel, all story lines are out the window because you can continually change them without consequence.
Cameron obviously has more agendas than just protecting John. She was, afterall, sent back by the Federation Timecorps.

SPACEANJL

Monday, March 10, 2008 3:51 PM

Once you get Timecorps, you're into Stainless Steel Rat territory...

Either that, or Jean-Claude Van Damme.

I've seen about half an episode of this, and turned off T3 in disgust. Time Travel can either be a really good plot device, or horribly lazy. I really think there is a case for making a movie, then leaving it the hell alone. I've said it before, once franchising gets into the mix, that way lies...Ewoks. And nobody wants those.

FREDGIBLET

Monday, March 10, 2008 7:47 PM

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From Jong:
We really do not know at this point if this is just a callous error, or if there is some yet-to-be-seen storyline which might make the statement accurate. I personally think there is more to Summer's Cameron than we know about so far.

I think it's both, crappy QC and Cameron has a lot more to her then we've found so far. I personally think that this was not well-developed before it went into production, it's been around for a long time but I think they kinda winged it for a lot of stuff.

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I have a pet theory that she's actually from even further ahead in time than the T-888s we've seen. Maybe from a truly post-human world (after the resistance is wiped out.

This is a cool idea, probably too cool for the writing that we've seen so far, of course someone from TTSCC may read this and take that as the new storyline.

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The writing for that show is abysmal at times. There are so many lines like this where if you turn your brain on they just don't make any sense.

The writing is frequently very bad, but somehow I can't look away and it's not in a trainwreck sense. Hopefully with season 2 they can get some better writers in.

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From Early:
People get so tied up with the timeline they forget it is the most important plot device. Once you introduce Time Travel, all story lines are out the window because you can continually change them without consequence.

Indeed, in one of the other threads there's an argument going on about whether it (and T4) go into the T3 or T2 timelines. My personal take is that due to timeline changes every Terminator is semi-selfcontained, if they explicitly reference something from another one then it's canon for that entry, otherwise it's fair game.

STRANGEBIRD

Monday, March 10, 2008 10:30 PM

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Yet for some reason I'm still watching. It's sorta like Lost. I keep watching even though I hate the writing of that show. I guess I just follow through once I've invested in something. The networks must love viewers like me.

I understand you there. It took considerable self-control to quit watching Lost. Charlie's death helped. Even though I like how they killed him honorable I still don't have to like it. That show is like a love/loathe relationship, in the worst ways.

The writing on T:TSCC is probably it's weakest aspect next to a bit of the acting. Richard T. Jones and our own BDH Summer are not bad at all, in fact I like Jones here better than on other shows I've seen him in. Summer is doing great. I just hope she doesn't continue to be typecast as the kick-ass hottie. She's good at it but I want to see her in a more.. human role. The other end of River's spectrum so to speak. She's yet to show her very best I feel.

Sorry to any fans of his but Thomas Dekker is so far only a mediocre young actor and this is his worst performance I've seen. His role on Heroes seems like... well an Oscar winning performance by comparison(for those of you with impaired humor that last part was an intended over-exaggeration). Not to say he couldn't get better. A little coaching or a few classes never hurt an actor. I have a feeling most of it is due to bad directing and writing... which is the cause of most poor performances anyway.

I missed the last two episodes and have not had a chance to see them. Thank you in advance but downloading them is not an option with my dial up. Hopefully they will be shown again sometime soon. The fact it doesn't bother me much is a sign I'm not as into this show as I wish I could be. If only for Summer. But even if this show doesn't survive it's second season I seriously doubt she'll be going away anytime soon.

I'm not going to argue either way on the timeline issues. I will state though that I like the above posters theory on contained timelines. Only a handful of movies or TV portray time travel in any believable or enjoyable way. Quantum Leap, while not really realistic was atleast intelligent, emotional and fun enough to be able to overlook it's flaws. The same goes for Journeyman for the most part. It had some bits of bad but less than most other new shows this last season. The last few episodes of that show, especially the very end of the finale were very close to the best TV in a long while. Time travel is a fun premise but can get to be a major headache for average viewer and intellectual viewer alike. I think I fall about halfway between.

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FREDGIBLET

Monday, March 10, 2008 10:44 PM

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I missed the last two episodes and have not had a chance to see them. Thank you in advance but downloading them is not an option with my dial up.

Library?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:29 AM

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It's really weird, this show. It falls into Paradoxs'.

SkyNet was created, and it got up to the point were SkyNet made the decision to send a Terminator to kill Sarah Connor. So John Connor sent back Reese, who was infact his father to protect his mother, who then had John... It's a paradox.

HOW did John get there in the first place when Reese, who was John's biological father get to the period of time where Sarah was, and impregnate her so there was John Connor.

How did it get to John Connor when John Connor ordered his own father to go back in time? Reese would have had to have been there BEFORE, to impregnate her, but then, we would have seen Reese in the movie.

Now, it's really strange. But otherwise, it's okay. Go Summer!

Also recall that the Terminator was also not possible until Ahnold was sent back to 1984 so his metal and chips could be reverse engineered to create skynet and Terminators. He is also his own "father".

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by KayleeBird:
It's really weird, this show. It falls into Paradoxs'.

SkyNet was created, and it got up to the point were SkyNet made the decision to send a Terminator to kill Sarah Connor. So John Connor sent back Reese, who was infact his father to protect his mother, who then had John... It's a paradox.

HOW did John get there in the first place when Reese, who was John's biological father get to the period of time where Sarah was, and impregnate her so there was John Connor.

How did it get to John Connor when John Connor ordered his own father to go back in time? Reese would have had to have been there BEFORE, to impregnate her, but then, we would have seen Reese in the movie.

Did you ever see the movie The Terminator?
Everything you are asking is explained in the first movie. Kyle Reece was in the movie, having been sent back in time by John Connor. John Connor had given Reece a picture of his mom Sarah previously, and that helped motivate Kyle to agree to go back in time...he wanted to meet her, meet the Legend. Reece explained that SKy net was almost defeated...the resistance had won and "smashed its' grid"..then Connor found the time travel equipment & learned Skynet ( in it's last desperate attempt to survive) had sent a Terminator back to kill Sarah...only later did John Connor & his wife Kate (nee Brewster) learn that Skynet had sent other Terminators back to different points on the past...to stop Sarah, John, General Brewster, and Connor's lieutenants of the future. So they followed suit, and sent protectors back to each point in time that Skynet had. I don't see any paradoxes that are too problematic for the 3 Terminator movies....this TV show has added many new elements and timeline changes, but overall its' still within the framework of everything as it was laid out in T-1.

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