Training House Location

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 3, 2008 9:45 AM

You really think "a few hours" means more than 4 hours? And again for the return trip "a few hours" is more than 4? THAT's a stretch.
I don't see Training House being anywhere near the Core.

I could have mentioned the combination of the BDM novelization plus TLB for clarification. But that reference is less compelling than "a few hours" which is repeated.

In OoG, Mal understands they will spend near a week to travel what would normally be an 18 hour trip - but, like his specific directions to Wash make clear, this route is avoiding contact with anybody else that Mal doesn't want to bump into.

2X2

Saturday, March 8, 2008 4:13 PM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

One of the quotes that may have lead to some confusion in this regards is:

Inara: There's barbarism dressed in the most civil weeds. Men of the highest rank who don't know the difference between a companion and a common whore. It's unsafe.

She isn't talking about the world being uncivil and unsafe. She talking about the men that these girls will one day deal with. A mentioning of the changing times.

I've always thought that the Training House was on a planet similar to Persephone - not Rim, but not exactly Core either. In that in-between place, where many have made fortunes and have sprung up as the 'New Rich', weathly young families that now make up this Middle range aristocracy. They're not Core Rich, but they're not Rim folk either.

These are the people I think Inara is referring to in your quote above - the 'Atherton Wings' - of this new breed of Rich... those who are not quite as 'civilized' as the Core Rich... basically, the client base Inara herself has tapped, which the Guild is looking to take advantage of. These New Rich have money to spend, and quite a lot of presige to be gained by being seen in the company of a Companion, just like the 'big boys' of the Core Rich...

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There's also some other evidence that they are quite near a Core world:

Sheydra: You've seen so much. You're a figure of great romance to them.

It wouldn't exactly be romantic if they had a clue as to what a rim world (or living on Serenity) really was like. Nothing gets in the way of romance like a big pile of dirt.

I don't quite agree that this proves they're in the core...

Imagine young Rim girls who know exactly what it's like to live on a piss-poor dirt farm... the idea of a dashing Pirate rescuing his love and taking her off to live on his pirate ship while they sail the seas of the Black... An escape from the reality of their Rim life... pretty romantic sounding to me.

But, as I said, I don't feel they are Rim or Core girls, but from those in-between, new well-to-do families, who I think could find the whole pirate thing just as romantic...

Anyway, that's just how I've always seen it :o)

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, March 8, 2008 6:37 PM

It's more of a leap to say the training house is in the core, which is probably weeks away from Haven, not to mention being a place that our big damn heroes would stay the hell away from because they'd be that much more easily captured there, than to say it's near Haven, a few hours out. Even a day out. A day is not going to cross half the gorramn solar system! So the training house is on a planet not that far from Haven, which we know is right on the rim because it's not that far from Miranda which is the farthest planet out. Even if it's towards the core, which I could buy (the stated theory that it's more like Persephone makes a lot of sense) it's not going to be in the core or really all that close to it. It's an outer planet, it has to be.

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MOONDOG

Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:48 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
It's more of a leap to say the training house is in the core, which is probably weeks away from Haven, not to mention being a place that our big damn heroes would stay the hell away from because they'd be that much more easily captured there, than to say it's near Haven, a few hours out. Even a day out. A day is not going to cross half the gorramn solar system! So the training house is on a planet not that far from Haven, which we know is right on the rim because it's not that far from Miranda which is the farthest planet out. Even if it's towards the core, which I could buy (the stated theory that it's more like Persephone makes a lot of sense) it's not going to be in the core or really all that close to it. It's an outer planet, it has to be.

You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

one thing that is missing in the verse, no doubt to simplify things, is that all of these moons and planets are orbiting the primary sun(s). Worlds that could be close together at one time (conjunction) would requiring a ship "going to cross half the gorram solar system at another (oppisition). This is not done out of ignorence (well, maybe--I remember from a comentary that Joss wasn't too up on the hard science)but to keep the story line simple, Could you imagine Wash trying to explain orbital mechanics or Kepler's laws to Mal? This is nit-picking, I know, But I once studied Orbital mechanics just to bug the players in a si-fi roll playing game I was running. The math is "scarey monsters". Here's to the KISS principle.

RIVERLOVE

Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:45 PM

Maybe it was called Sex World. I thought I heard that un-mistakeable 70's music in the background....doo whacka whacka whack.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, January 19, 2009 5:59 AM

If the Map fo the Verse from QMX is used for this answer, some discussion is in a thread of the Episode forum.
Highgate would be too far. If not Haven, then the other Moon next to Haven, or Deadwood - which Haven orbits, or one of the moons of Dragon's Egg. Everything else is too far.

BYTEMITE

Monday, January 19, 2009 6:21 AM

My impression is there's rich people out on the Rim, otherwise Inara wouldn't have any interest in shipping out somewhere that she has no potential clients.

Now, I also don't think there's that MANY rich people on the Rim, because most of the time she ends up not having clients anyway out there. Either there's that cultural perception problem on companions, or the rich people have made their livings through exploiting others and are clients Inara wouldn't want to have (people like Rance Burgess).

Are there enough rich people to warrant Companion training school for their daughters? On a single planet/moon? Maybe there's tourist moons out on the Rim, though boy, Reavers, there's one HELL of an incentive for a vacation spot. Or maybe it could draw from the entirety of a rimward system? I guess that's up to whoever's writing the story, right now. I'd probably imagine it to be a border world, myself, the terraforming is too pretty and someone had to pay for that.

Regina is where the miners with the Bowden's Malady problem are, isn't it?

NCBROWNCOAT

Monday, January 19, 2009 3:27 PM

The newly rich would be anxious to do anything to prove that they just as good as the Core rich.

History bears this out. Rich Americans of the Gilded Age aped European manners and fashion. And there were more than a few daughters of American rich that married into the European aristocracy for titles and infused cash into the cash poor aristocracy. (Jenny Jerome of New York City married the younger son of the Duke of Marlborough and so became the mother of one of the greatest leaders of WWII, Winston Churchill,)

I would think that the new rich of the Border planets and moons would be just like that. Anxious for all the trappings of the Core and that would include Companions.

Companions of the Core wouldn't be moving out to the Core so the Guild, in a good business decision, would expand to where a new customer base was developing. That would include training the daughters as Companions and using them to spread the prestige of being and contracting with a Companion.

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MRBEN

Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM

When considering how far out towards the rim companions might be found, bear in mind that, in Heart of Gold, Mal initially thought that the HoG was a companion house until Inara corrected him.

I tried to find out where Bellerophon was in relation to the central planets, but I'm not at home so don't have my books to hand...

As an additional question from this, are we to assume that Inara was unique in how far she went, or were there other companions? Certainly Higgins Moon is nearer the rim than the core. The sheriff on Regina knew about companions, although maybe he'd never seen one before.

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PHOENIXROSE

Monday, January 19, 2009 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Regina is where the miners with the Bowden's Malady problem are, isn't it?

Pretty sure the only thing named in that episode was the town, Paradiso. Not to say Paradiso couldn't be a town on Regina, but the planet wasn't given a name in the script. About half the planets they visited remained nameless. Sometimes even the town or area remained nameless. That's part of why there are so many threads along this vein, asking where things are and what places are called for the purpose of fanfic.

And yes, the mayor in Paradiso knew a Companion when he saw one, but was awed to be seeing one in person, and said most or all of the folks there had never seen a real Companion before.

In the deleted scene, Sheydra says that Inara is a figure of great romance to the girls in training, having traveled so far out, so I think she was the most traveled if not the only Companion to explore options on the border. Her being able to find a client base might be part of what made the guild interested in a training house a bit further from the core.

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