Simon and Kaylee the whole she-bang

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HOWDYROCKERBABY1

Friday, April 30, 2004 5:33 AM

This is a build from the Male Review thread. Namely on Simon and Kaylee (if you couldn't already tell by the thread name)

This is on the topic of Simon being a virgin or not and Kaylee being a nympho like person.

I personally don't see either working. But i just thought it'd be better to have the discussion here, rather than burried in the huge firefly Male review post.

so tag away.

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THATWEIRDGIRL

Friday, April 30, 2004 5:43 AM

I think Simon has gotten around a bit. Before the problem with River, he seems to have had a normal college experience. Besides he would have been a big catch. I don't think Kaylee is a nympho. She just isn't afraid to act on physical needs or wants. She chooses her lovers. She doesn't need constant male intereaction--like Jayne needing female interaction--she just enjoys a good romp now and then.

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GUNHAND

Friday, April 30, 2004 6:13 AM

Hmm, if I were more awake I could put some thought into this, since I'm not really awake I'll babble! Now there's a surprise...

Simon, well I doubt he's a virgin, I mean his daddy would have gotten him a Companion just so he'd have "done the deed", but even though he's wistful about his life in the Core he never mentions anything about it except for River and the Hospital. So I think the guy was conflicted, married to his work and being the stand in dad for River. But he never mentions any loves he lost back there, so I'm thinking he didn't get around all that much. So except for his big deflowering at the hands of some Companion I'm willing to bet that's probably about it. I mean he's like Ath almost, if he's relying on his cunning ways with women to get dates he's pretty much in the go-se because everytime he tries to hit on Kaylee he screws it up.

With Kaylee I have to agree with Thatweirdgirl, I don't think she's especially easy or anything but she likes to have a good time. Have to remember that Kaylee's all of 19-20, now when I was 19-20...nah not gonna go there.

She's normal for her age, and even a little less easy than normal because she's giving Simon more chances than he honestly deserves. I've seen crash and burns of Simonlike Epic Proportions, and lemme tell you in my experience you don't get a second chance, let alone a third and a forth and a...see what I mean?

So there it is.

EDIT: What the heck, I'll even go out on a limb here that will get me more rotten tomatoes thrown at me than a mime at a Nine Inch Nails concert. Simon doesn't deserve Kaylee. She's literally the only available woman in the 'Verse for him right now, and that little slip of his was, to me, very telling and very honest. I'm even willing to bet if there was a way for him to get out of having to take care of River to where she'd be treated right, he'd be gone. He misses the Core, he misses it something fierce, and someday he's gonna have to make some pretty heavy choices. I don't think he has it in him to do right by Kaylee.

There I admitted it, I'm not a Simon Tam fan, he's good to his sister and he's nice as is proper to Kaylee, but deep down I have the feeling he still thinks he can just go back to his old life, and that he's somehow superior to the rest of the crew.

I shall now report for the tomato tossing line...

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AURAPTOR

Friday, April 30, 2004 12:35 PM

While Simon and Kaylee might not be right for each other, I hardly think it's be cause either doesn't "deserve" the other. They just come from 2 different worlds. And lets not forget WHY it is that Simon came aboard Serenity ( and into the sights of Kaylee ) in the 1st place.

Simon is very young and very gifted. Understand, people like Simon are usually moved ahead and end up being the youngest kids in class.(Unless he was home schooled,privatly taught....) Often they don't have too many social friends. But when Simon became a Doctor,he probably finally felt accepted, among equals, - at home. This isn't a knock at Kaylee or anyone else, it's just a reality that Simon has lived through.

Now Simon has left the high position which he has been groomed for his entire life. He's on his own with no parents to help him, in an enviroment he's never known, on the run from the law, and all the while trying to figure out what they did to his sister and what, if anything, he can do to help her. Simon has alot on his table, and it'll take time for him to sort things out. I think it's very wise of him to play it cool with Kaylee, not because she's some prarie harpee, but because he has River to think about too.

Don't know if we'll see any further development of their relationship, but what ever happens, I say give Simon a break. He certainly doesn't have any intention of hurting her,and I think he's genuinely captivated by her ...shiny disposition. But, given the circumstances listed, he probably thinks that pursuing her romantically wouldn't be ...proper. ( not at the moment, at least )

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DUCKIE

Friday, April 30, 2004 2:57 PM

I think they're both quite captivated with each other because, as mentioned, they're from completely different worlds. I don't think either of them has ever known someone like the other. Also, their personalities are complete opposites - what with Kaylee being so open and Simon being so reserved. They're sort of... exotic to each other. I think in a way Simon wishes he could be as open and relaxed as Kaylee is - I think that's something he admires in her. Also, as mentioned, I think he is really captivated by her "shiny disposition" (well put!!) and I agree that one of the reasons he keeps his distance a bit is probably all the things he has on his plate. But I think he really likes her. I just get that impression from the look on his face when he's around her. I think he's really like to just jump into a relationship with her - he has to know that she's interested, he's neither blind nor stupid - but he can't change his personality. And someone mentioned her giving Simon more chances than he deserves - that's probably true, but I think she really, really likes him. I don't think she just crushes on him 'cause he hot. At first maybe she was just impressed because he's a surgeon and comes from the Core (where she'd never been until she got to hunt around the garbage dump on Ariel) but I think she's seen other sides to him and likes him more the more she sees. She tends to get over his bouts of Foot-In-Mouth disease pretty quickly and is back in pursuit. If she was only interested in him superficially, she wouldn't keep forgiving his nervous social stupidity.

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LIZ

Friday, April 30, 2004 3:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Duckie:
I think in a way Simon wishes he could be as open and relaxed as Kaylee is - I think that's something he admires in her. Also, as mentioned, I think he is really captivated by her "shiny disposition" (well put!!) and I agree that one of the reasons he keeps his distance a bit is probably all the things he has on his plate.

wow. that's pretty much what i was about to write. Also that maybe he's keeping her at arm's length (so to speak) because he wants to do right by her but knows he can't right now. he knows he's too distracted with River and with learning how one survives out in the black. If he could i think Simon would let Kaylee sweep him off his feet

but alas he cannot. Maybe he thinks she deserves more attention than he could give her.
Then again maybe i'm comepletely wrong and if he could he'd act like a noble from the days of yore who would have a romp with the kitchen wench then walk away to the privledged life awaiting him.

(that's it, no more coffee for me it makes me babble. sorry y'all.)

CYBERSNARK

Friday, April 30, 2004 4:03 PM

Well, for one, I think they're perfect for each other, but then I'm a hopeless romantic.

Yeah, Siman has fumbled the ball al over the field, and, as Gunhand suggested, he would take off if he could get better care for River elsewhere (or if River made a miraculous full recovery). At least, he might now.

One of the things I love about Joss' shows is that, as in reality, people change. Give Simon & Kaylee some more time. Maybe another season's worth after the BDM (*hopes*).

One things for sure, if he did leave, you know Simon would be considering whether or not he's ever going to meet someone like her again. Girls like Kaylee tend to be one per generation; any more than that and their collective sweetness would cause space/time to collapse.

That's what'll end history: not the First Evil, not an army of demons, not a gaping Hellmouth, nor a rain of Hell-fire: Kaylee and Willow in the same room.

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DELIA

Friday, April 30, 2004 7:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:

That's what'll end history: not the First Evil, not an army of demons, not a gaping Hellmouth, nor a rain of Hell-fire: Kaylee and Willow in the same room.

That would be cuty, fuzzy, pre-witch, high school Willow, right? Not scary, veiny, world-ending 6th season Willow?

As for Simon and Kaylee, I'm enough of a hopeless romantic (at least where fiction is concerned) to hope that they manage to get it all worked out. They compliment each other very well, and I think it's telling that Kaylee is the person Simon relaxes around (he's got an awful lot of his guard down in that opening scene in OiS).

I don't think he would go running back to the core if he could. Things have changed; he's seen a side of himself, his life, and his world (or however many worlds there are) that he didn't know existed. He is not the person they picked up on Peresphone, and I think he was on a path to figuing that out. We just didn't get enough time to see where the journey ended.

LUNA

Friday, April 30, 2004 8:41 PM

Perhaps the fact that Simon is wanted by the Blue Hands and has a price on his head makes him reluctant to involve her in his rather desperate situation, however much he is attracted to her.

LUNA

Friday, April 30, 2004 8:52 PM

Perhaps, since Simon is wanted by the Blue Hands (who have no qualms about killing innocent bystanders) and there is a price on his head, he is just noble enough to be reluctant to put Kaylee in danger however much he is attracted to her.

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