Training House Location
POSTED BY: GoramMan
UPDATED: Monday, May 4, 2009 09:28
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Where in the hell was the training house featured in Serenity? I don't think I can move forward on my fic without knowing. If there is a cannon name please share it with me. If there isn't and someone else has given it a name I would like to use that.
If I don't get anything I will just call it something like New Kowloon and move on.
I'm a little peeved at Joss ritht now. For somebody who took so much inspiration from Star Wars you would think he'd have a name figured out for a planet his characters spent about 15 minutes on. Lucas would have a name a planet name, a regional name, a city name, a training house name, and a few names for the art and statues there.
But then again...we can't have Nathan Fillion looking like he was acting with an iron rod up his pi-gu.
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My guess would be Inara's home, Sihnon. But, those with a Visual Companion might know better. Just makes sense to me that she would 'go home' after all that transpired.
EDIT: In the left column of fff.net, toward the bottom, there is a "Firefly Database" with a tonne of info. That's where I went to find the proper spelling for Inara's home planet.
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It's on the rim, I have some kind of idea it's not all that far from Haven, though the cut of the film might just make it seem that way. But there's a deleted scene that talks about how different it is from a Core training house, how on Sihnon they start training at twelve, and how different the 'frontier' is in general in terms of how Companions are viewed and treated. I don't know of a canon name; it's not named in the script. The Visual Companion has a little list of planets, though. What about Highgate or Regina? They both look like pretty little planets.
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Originally posted by GoramMan:
Where in the hell was the training house featured in Serenity? I don't think I can move forward on my fic without knowing. If there is a cannon name please share it with me. If there isn't and someone else has given it a name I would like to use that.
there is no official name - (as with Mr Universe's moon) - or definite location. It seems - from the dvd deleted scenes especially - that it is definitely NOT sihnon but someways on the rim. there is much argument about this though so just go with your instincts.
In my fic i called the moon Penelope (which is kinda lame but sounds a bit like Persephone and was the ever patient wife of the adventuring Ulysses. She spent ten years charming but refusing suiters!) which seems a little apt.
mal has renamed Mr Universe's moon 'Independence'.
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Watching that deleted scene you're right that it definitely isn't Sihnon. But, here's the thing, I don't buy that this house was anywhere near the rim. IMO, The Guild wouldn't lower itself to do so. Remember that The Guild is part of the Elite in The Core which doesn't exactly mesh well with Rim worlds. It's much more probable that this is (one of) the first houses outside of what is/was considered The Core, but still right next to it. Just The Alliance's arm reaching a little further than before.
One of the quotes that may have lead to some confusion in this regards is:
Inara: There's barbarism dressed in the most civil weeds. Men of the highest rank who don't know the difference between a companion and a common whore. It's unsafe.
She isn't talking about the world being uncivil and unsafe. She talking about the men that these girls will one day deal with. A mentioning of the changing times.
There's also some other evidence that they are quite near a Core world:
Sheydra: You've seen so much. You're a figure of great romance to them.
It wouldn't exactly be romantic if they had a clue as to what a rim world (or living on Serenity) really was like. Nothing gets in the way of romance like a big pile of dirt.
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I think maybe the training house on the rim was an attempt to civilize the rim folk. Give everyone a chance to join with the core worlds. Since the girls are trained when they're young they should be able to "Smooth out" any bad speech habits they've picked up.
Course from the look of some of the girls training they look like young well to do noble women more then actually farm daughters, etc...so who knows.
And my other opinion is that the Guild supported the Alliance, maybe its a subtle way of gathering more Alliance friendly people...ya know. ^_^ Kinda like
" We're training and educating your kids for you so we cant be all bad and blah blah blah"
Just a thought ^_^
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The Training House is not on Shihnon. Mal states both that it is a "few hours out" from Haven Mining camp to Training House, and the same for the return trip.
On Haven, they first arrive at Mining Camp in sunlight, then have campfire and Mal dozes before Inara's wave. They zip off to Training House and back to Haven Mining Camp in the morning (daytime again) to find it attacked.
In TLB, Book is apparently dropped off at Haven shortly after dropping off Inara, so this proximity of worlds/locations seems consistent.
I've seen no specific name for the world Training House is on. There seems no definitive data stating Training House is not on the other side of Haven from the Mining Camp, but I don't think that's the case.
Mal's statements "few hours OUT" suggests in is not the same world (Haven) as the Mining Camp is on.
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Originally posted by DaughterOfDreams:
I think maybe the training house on the rim was an attempt to civilize the rim folk. Give everyone a chance to join with the core worlds. Since the girls are trained when they're young they should be able to "Smooth out" any bad speech habits they've picked up.
Um, given The Alliance, do you honestly think that this is a possibility (especially given Miranda)? Do you think that the rim folk would be able to afford a Companion? Or even with just mixing with living in the same general area, do you think that they'd actually mix. Because, I've seen the poor and the "better off" "mix" in a variety of situations and it isn't really all that pretty.
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Originally posted by DaughterOfDreams:
Course from the look of some of the girls training they look like young well to do noble women more then actually farm daughters, etc...so who knows.
It's actually stated in the scene that the girls are well to do.
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They're of good families with the highest academic--
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Where on the rim would you find enough girls to fit that description to justify a house? Not to mention being able to afford the training.
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Originally posted by DaughterOfDreams:
And my other opinion is that the Guild supported the Alliance, maybe its a subtle way of gathering more Alliance friendly people...ya know. ^_^ Kinda like
" We're training and educating your kids for you so we cant be all bad and blah blah blah"
Just a thought ^_^
It is unknown whether The Guild supported/supports The Alliance. All we know is that Inara support it. Of course it is quite likely given there position within the culture. Though I imagine there were some dissenting voices.
To the rest of this, I don't actually get what you're saying. You seem to contradict yourself.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Mal's statements "few hours OUT" suggests in is not the same world (Haven) as the Mining Camp is on.
All we know is that from there location it's a "few hours out". Which could mean anything from just a couple hours, to the better part of a day or more. As in, on the lesser side, the training house could even be on the other side of the planet.
Then after the escape there's more fuzziness with Mal saying, "we get back to Haven in a few hours time." Which could mean anything because they could be at any point long that journey.
Remember in OoG how Mal didn't mind having a 14 hour (as I recall) trip turn into the better part of a week? Kinda says something about how he views time, which doesn't exactly coincide with how the typical person does today.
This of course, also assumes that Joss put that wording in there intentionally knowing (relatively) how close the two points are together at that point in time (planets/moons move). Given Joss' previous work, we all know just how unlikely this is. All he really cares about is telling the story which results in a good one because he isn't distracted. But, such details aren't exactly what he's about. Hell, we had to wait years to know whether it was a one or many system 'verse!
All there is is a fuzzy time frame depending on an unknown speed. Is that a couple hours at hard burn (it is a rescue mission after all), or at "cruising speed" or something slower because they are low on fuel (remember Mals comment regarding money at the beginning of the movie). Or is the speed somewhere in-between two of those.
Gotta say, that because of the above, saying that Haven is near the Training House is rather a leap.
The only thing that, IMO, can be said with some certainty, is that the Training House is located somewhere near the Core for cultural reasons.
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In TLB, Book is apparently dropped off at Haven shortly after dropping off Inara, so this proximity of worlds/locations seems consistent.
Yah, um, I just picked up my copy and flipped through it to that part. All I have to say is that there is zero anything that would indicate a time frame between those to events. All we know from those few cells is that at some point during daylight Inara is dropped off. Then at some point latter Book says that he's going to leave (could be weeks), but doesn't know where yet. So, after that point, how long it takes for Book to decide is unknown.
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