Quick! Everbody go out and start your cars,,,
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Avenging, perhaps you should consider membership in the IWW.
Sounds like you'd be on-board with most of their goals, to be honest.
http://www.iww.org
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Originally posted by avengingwatcher:
car manufacturers are now miraculously producing the vehicles they said they couldn't now that it is profitable, but most people can't afford the better vehicles. It's really just a big racket, but we all knew that.
I don't remember car makers saying that they couldn't make more efficient vehicles. What they said all along is exactly what you are saying now. They said that they couldn't sell more full efficient cars until the fuel price got to a level that consumers would be willing to pay the higher price and get less vehicle. If they could have produced a fuel efficient modern version of the 78 Ford LTD years ago they would have. We still don't have the technology to do that. The only thing that has changed is that people are now willing to accept less car for more money because of high gas prices. This problem is being addressed by the free-market like it should be. The car company that can build the largest car with the best mileage will come out on top.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I agree. We need to stage an immediate pre-emptive strike against the sun. We need to push it back now because it's decaying orbit around the Earth is getting dangerously hot.
Unfortunately, I can't tell whether you're joking or not about the whole sun-revolving-around-the-earth thing. I s'pose in your universe, it's a FLAT Earth, too, huh?
M
"Me want Kill-Dozer!!"
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Damn, did someone clone me while I wasn't lookin ?
Kwicko, yer startin to scare me,I might have to knock you off due to territorial issues cause you're fleecin MY herd here....
And doin a rather bang-up job of it too.
*grumble*
-F
Sorry, Frem - didn't mean to poach on your hunting grounds. Sometimes, though, one just sees the shot and HAS to take it.
M
"Me want Kill-Dozer!!"
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Originally posted by Kirkules:Quote:
Originally posted by avengingwatcher:
car manufacturers are now miraculously producing the vehicles they said they couldn't now that it is profitable, but most people can't afford the better vehicles. It's really just a big racket, but we all knew that.
I don't remember car makers saying that they couldn't make more efficient vehicles. What they said all along is exactly what you are saying now. They said that they couldn't sell more full efficient cars until the fuel price got to a level that consumers would be willing to pay the higher price and get less vehicle. If they could have produced a fuel efficient modern version of the 78 Ford LTD years ago they would have. We still don't have the technology to do that. The only thing that has changed is that people are now willing to accept less car for more money because of high gas prices. This problem is being addressed by the free-market like it should be. The car company that can build the largest car with the best mileage will come out on top.
Hmmmm... couldn't sell efficient cars? Honda Accords are pretty efficient, comparatively speaking, and Honda couldn't build enough of them to suit demand in the early 90s. My '91 Honda CRX is certainly efficient - if I flog the living shit out of it with the A/C on, it still won't dip BELOW 20 miles per gallon. On the highway, it gets as high as 46mpg. So I'd hardly say that carmakers couldn't SELL an efficient car, or that they had to charge too much for it - mine stickered at just over $11,000 in 1991 - hardly a king's ransom.
Not all of us are looking for the biggest car. Personally, I'd like to have the LEAST car I can, simply because I prize simplification and light weight over gadgets and gimcrackery. Call me old-fashioned...
We absolutely have the technology to produce mid-size cars that routinely get better than 35mpg. Ditch some of the luxury crap out of them, get the weight under 3000 pounds, and you'll be amazed at the efficiencies you achieve.
Mike
"Me want Kill-Dozer!!"
KillDozer doesn't get good gas mileage. KillDozer doesn't care about such things.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Yes AU, this is very apt indeed.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
even thicker
Not the ice though, I mean....Chrisisall
I wasn't talking about girth, so tell your wife to stop w/ the frantic e-mails. My box is nearly full.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Razza:
I wouldn't take Auraptors word for it either, but I suspect the the senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa knows what he's talking about:Quote:
...Asked about the Arctic ice cover, Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, told the Post the Arctic winter had been so severe, the ice has not only recovered but was actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than the same time last year...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/26/eaic
e126.xml
Thanks for the compliment...I think, that's the quote I knew I had seen, but couldn't find. I've happen to have been right so often that I think I've earned the righ to not have to post a link for EVERY fact I lay down here, but some just have a bias against me. Sucks for them, is all I can say.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
[Hmmmm... couldn't sell efficient cars? Honda Accords are pretty efficient, comparatively speaking, and Honda couldn't build enough of them to suit demand in the early 90s.
I think you helped my argument by bringing up the Honda Accord. This was the first decent sized, fuel efficient car introduce that had mass appeal. But as soon as Toyota came along with the Camry, which was bigger, but still had relatively good fuel efficiency, Honda sales started to drop.
People will demand higher efficiency cars when they see it is in their personal self interest to do so and not before. The fee market is working. If the government gets involved by supporting one type of alternative(ethanol} over others, we will never see the technology emerge that can solve our fuel problem long term.
I have always driven fuel efficient 4 cylinder cars since gas hit $1.25/gal. I don't do it to save the world. I do it to save a buck. I hope the Chevy Volt is not too pricey when it comes out because I've always wanted an electric car.
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Avenge, please don't knock yourself out here talking to these numbskulls. They've spent years here shooting down global warming with incorrect facts and crappy reasoning. You're not the only browncoat to understand what's going on, or to try to talk reason with them. But you're just not going to convince these folks of anything. Best to save the effort for someone who might listen. Believe me, they'll never get tired of being wrong.
No offense, Auraptor, Finn, et al....
"Your gratuitous jello awaits." - Dr. Helen Magnus, Sanctuary
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Originally posted by avengingwatcher:
The destruction of the entire human race just doesn't come off as a joking matter to me.
when there are no heroes where will we turn?
I happen to think that it is a hilarious idea. Hey, we all just died!
Meh. Global warming will happen, even if everyone became hippies and started using bicycles. It's natural; if we speed it up a bit, then boo-hoo, we die out faster. Have we even accomplisehed all that much to be proud about?
I believe that people who say that we will "Destroy the world with our errant ways" are on a level of supreme arrogance, and, yes, I will hit you for it.
-Danny
Choke choke again
I thought my demons were my friends
Getting me in the end
They're out to get me
Since I was young
I've tasted sorrow on my tongue
And this sweet chugga gun
Does not protect me
That's right
Trigger between my eyes
Please strike, Make it quick now
The Band of the week is... Korn
Gott weiß ich will kein Engel sein.
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