Quick! Everbody go out and start your cars,,,
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Finn, you are absolutely right, the scientists plug in data based upon what we know and currently understand and then using computer models that go back to prehistory and there are thousands upon thousands of these that run. I am well aware of this, however the laws of probability are what the computer truly bases its claims upon and the models have been very accurate.
On the oil subject, oil is indeed a finite resource, it is created from the decaying plant and animal matter that has been put under pressure to create strings of hydrocarbons, this isn't debated by anyone with any scientific background. So, yes oil is a finite resource, especially since we have to keep finding it. With China's explosive growth and so many people desiring the western style of luxury it has greatly increased the demand for oil and coal in China which has had disastrous effects on both health and environment, much of China is being transformed into desert as a result of their lack of environmental policies.
On renewable fuel, GM had a working electric vehicle that got 300 miles to the charge, which is more than sufficient for most people. The probably best solution would be a hard hybrid that worked on electricity most of the time, but used a plant based fuel for long term hauls and such. Currently the Prius allows you to do this with a simple modification, and there are kits that can be used to convert any diesel vehicle to a vegetable oil fueled vehicle, essentially people with this system need a little diesel to start the car and warm the oil and they can get free oil from restaurants that usually have to pay a disposal fee to get rid of their used cooking grease.
As for the middle ground, conservatives will always disagree with any environmental policy because they don't think they should have to change their lifestyle so others can live. There was even a study that showed people who drive SUV's are selfish and insecure.
Link to that here
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread313152/pg1
Mason, I completely disagree with government interfering in most cases, but seriously when the organizations that are too big for people to fight alone are in play, that is where the government needs to speak in collective protection of people. I think they meddle far too much into the everyday affairs of most people and personally think that welfare needs a major overhaul and needs to be repaired. I agree think that veterans should have health care paid for forever and that all people should willingly want to serve their country for at least two years. I don't want to take your guns away, though it is not a guarantee of the constitution (the second line reads "in a well regulated militia") I think that basic health care should be provided by all and health insurance would cover elective or more costly health care such as cancers and other preventable or non-universal diseases. So yes I am definitely liberal on a majority of things, but really who gives anyone the right to destroy someone else's right to a clean planet? I do what I can to treat the planet right and it is less costly than if I didn't so either way, just being environmentally sound hurts no one and actually helps in most cases.
When there are no heroes where will we turn?
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Seems like those that "study it for a living" might just be perpetuating their own jobs like good beaurocrates do.
Like the generals are doing in Iraq - keeping it going forever so they have kewl new toys to play with, right?
M
"Me want Kill-Dozer!!"
They probably love Kill-Dozers too.
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Do I think we are irresponsible in our use of resources? Yes
Do I buy for a second in global warming? Not a chance.
Like anything else, I give it all 50/50
I do think it's great that we're working so hard to find alternative sources for energy, but that has nothing to do with the tree hugger's efforts. It's simply fiscal responsibility, and it's about damn time. I for one don't want to be sucking on the Middle East's tits 10 years from now, do you?
Isn't it amazing how when gas prices rise over $3.00 a gallon that we miraculously make all of these advances in alternate energy, as if by magic?
Here's hoping that gas hit's $5.00 by next year, and I'm driving a '78 Ford LTD that gets 10 MPG.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Isn't it amazing how when gas prices rise over $3.00 a gallon that we miraculously make all of these advances in alternate energy, as if by magic?
Here's hoping that gas hit's $5.00 by next year, and I'm driving a '78 Ford LTD that gets 10 MPG.
i find it interesting that the price of oil, relative to gold, has remained steady, while almost doubling under the dollar. i think its a sign that the problem is our currency, which is 50 percent of every transaction. at this rate, i worry that our innovative capabilities will stagnate, along with the economy, before any viable alternatives take off
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That is possible AM.....
I laugh, only half-heartedly, about the fact that I'm up 87% on my Goldcorp investment from last May. My big joke is that the real value of the money I invested in Goldcorp has stayed the same over the last 8-9 months while the value of the rest of my money has decreased by 87% in that much time.
Here's hoping I get that 30% cost of living raise this April. 
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Auraptor, you clearly have done ZERO research into the topic. The Polar ice sheets are in serious decline as are most bodies of glacial ice, wildfires have become far more frequent in both California and Australia(where I had actually stated). In fact you really brought no evidence to the table. Here I'll give you a site with pretty pictures so you can see
Specifically the one with the ESA satellite imagery
Oh and about those polar bears
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/071123/full/news.2007.282.html
Too bad your 'link' is a pay only site. Oh well. I've done quite a bit of research, and found many studies contradict each other, or claim little change in the polar bear population.
The winter this year has been especially cold. Tell me the ice hasn't come back? It has, and even thicker than it was before.
There's no reason to fret.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Sorry about that raptor, having a slow internet so I just grabbed the first and saw it pop p with info, however a quick Google search or perusal of a National Geographic could bring up the info. The satellite imagery doesn't lie though. Nor do the early passages of ships through the northwest and northeast passages.
When there are no heroes where will we turn?
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Want to stop global warming? Get a Earth sun sheild. That Sun swings the surface temp by 60 degrees F and back again just in the period of a day. We gotta get that thing under control, and we need to stop decaying our orbit around the Sun, or we'll get hotter.
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I agree. We need to stage an immediate pre-emptive strike against the sun. We need to push it back now because it's decaying orbit around the Earth is getting dangerously hot.
(I say as I smoke in sub zero conditions at night for the last month in this, the coldest winter of my lifetime) "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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I'm driving a '78 Ford LTD
I must say kid, ya got style... so monstrous, so ugly, it just has a style all it's own in pure visual offensiveness, doesn't it ?
My dispatcher drives a 1973 Plymouth Gran Fury, what a freakin monstrosity that thing is, and having borrowed it twice, those slab sided monoliths take a heck of a lot more skill to drive than a modern car, that's for sure.
My dear ole gramma had a hopped up 1966 Impala she drove till her doc forbade it, and I remember the interior quite well from when we used to go duckpin bowling together... it had a really unique look and style.
Hee hee hee, one time some local kiddies made the mistake of revving at Granny while we were at a light, in a cherried up Nova, guess they thought they were something...
Granny just glanced over sideways, ker-clunked it into gear, and dropped the hammer on the beefy 427 under that black glossy hood, leaving the poor twits at the line in a cloud of smoke, they weren't gonna catch up, and they didn't even try - wasn't nothin never wrong with her reflexes, was her legs that ended her driving days, cause she took up video games after that, and bowed to NO master at Atari 2600's COMBAT, rather embarassing to be hammered at that by your granny, it is.
Hell of a lady, I miss her though, the world is just a little less interesting without her in it, she had a tongue and wit to go with those reflexes too, never doubt it.
-Frem
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