More Subtle yet interesting show observations - post yours

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ASARIAN

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

Of course, you might complain that I've read this in the Official Companion or something.

You've got that figured backwards. :) I will entertain any suggestion offered that helps me see a seemingly broken Firefly thing unbroken. :)

So, I'll take your explanation and consider the matter solved.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

HISTORYPHIL

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:05 PM

Not an observation, just a couple questions; How long after they were released from the POW camp was it that they bought their ship? And,where did Mal and Zoe get the money to buy a Firefly?

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Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:27 AM

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Originally posted by HistoryPhil:
Not an observation, just a couple questions; How long after they were released from the POW camp was it that they bought their ship? And,where did Mal and Zoe get the money to buy a Firefly?

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Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

How long? Tim said for Out of Gas that the Mal/Zoe/salesman flashback was "about 5 years" ago, so the purchase was about fall of 2512. U-day was about August of 2511. The meeemos said the POWs were not held long, released as goodwill, I got the impression a few months. So it seemed it was about a yearish for Mal to get tired of "being under Alliance thumb" or whatever.

WORLDOFHIGLET

Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:42 PM

A late reply to this but just saw it. The search of the ship by the Alliance has to be one of the funniest scenes, particularly when it pulls back to reveal about 20 of them in the kitchen, tripping over each other, pulling back chairs (boo - River was under the table!), turning over placemats etc.

Did these people not have any sort of, you know, scanners? Tsk! You pays your gorram taxes and the Alliance can't even afford a decent life-form detector.....

ASARIAN

Monday, February 25, 2008 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by HistoryPhil:

,where did Mal and Zoe get the money to buy a Firefly?

Point of interest, it's really just Mal's ship ("You paid money for this, Sir? On purpose?"). Zoe didn't co-buy it or anything.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

HISTORYPHIL

Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by asarian:
Quote:
Originally posted by HistoryPhil:

,where did Mal and Zoe get the money to buy a Firefly?

Point of interest, it's really just Mal's ship ("You paid money for this, Sir? On purpose?"). Zoe didn't co-buy it or anything.

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

OK. I will rephrase the question. How expensive is a used, non-functional, Firefly class transport ship and where did Mel get the money to buy and repair it? Was Mel's Independence Army back pay deposited in a bank that did not crash when the Independents lost? Did he receive a mustering out bonus from the Alliance when he was released? Maybe compensation from the Alliance for the destruction of his ranch on Shadow? Was he able to save enough working for others in the year between his release from the POW camp and the his purchase of Serenity to buy the ship?

Not arguing, just puzzled.

Phil

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Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

ASARIAN

Saturday, March 1, 2008 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by HistoryPhil:

OK. I will rephrase the question. How expensive is a used, non-functional, Firefly class transport ship and where did Mel get the money to buy and repair it? Was Mel's Independence Army back pay deposited in a bank that did not crash when the Independents lost? Did he receive a mustering out bonus from the Alliance when he was released? Maybe compensation from the Alliance for the destruction of his ranch on Shadow? Was he able to save enough working for others in the year between his release from the POW camp and the his purchase of Serenity to buy the ship?

Not arguing, just puzzled.

Phil

I wasn't trying to be argumentative, either. :) It's just that, for the story line, I think it's good to know it's really just Mal's boat.

To answer your question, I dunno. How much does, say, a non-functioning car cost here at a used-car dealership? Not that much, either, I reckon. Zoe was surprised he even paid any money at all! Mal was a Sargeant; not the highest paying job, ever, I take it, but he had probably saved enough to buy what most would consider a piece of fei-oo. The idea that he received some compensation for the destruction of his ranch on Shadow, is also well possible. But even without, I think he could still afford it. We know he didn't take a mortgage out on it, or some such. Or at least, if he did, we know he paid it off in full ("Bought and paid for" - Bushwhacked).

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

NEWBROWNCOAT

Saturday, March 1, 2008 2:30 PM

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In BDM I've always been bothered at the end, when KayLee finally gets some, River's hair is not visible when she's upside down in the ceiling. That always seemed goofy to me.

Also in BDM, until reading the script I never recognized Derria Book's final lines to Mal as paraphrasing Tom Hanks/Capt Miller's final lines to Matt Damon/Pvt Ryan in Saving Private Ryan, which was a film Nathan was in.

I think there is another subtle connection to Saving Private Ryan. Perhaps it has been mentioned before, and if so - sorry for the repeat - but re-watching Saving Private Ryan recently, I watched the sharpshooter character kissing his cross before lining up his target and killing him. It was basically the same gesture done by Mal in the Serenity Pilot before going out with Zoe to shoot down the craft that was strafing them.

ASARIAN

Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:32 AM

It's a well known fact, of course, that Joss modelled Jubal Early after Jubal Anderson Early, the famous Confederate general of the American Civil War. What I didn't know (until a recent visit to wikipedia) is that the general was an outspoken believer in white supremacy. Early wrote about African Americans as "barbarous natives of Africa" and wrote:

"The Creator of the Universe had stamped them, indelibly, with a different color and an inferior physical and mental organization. He had not done this from mere caprice or whim, but for wise purposes. (...) Reason, common sense, true humanity to the black, as well as the safety of the white race, required that the inferior race should be kept in a state of subordination."

I therefore find it not without a sense of irony that the Creator of *our* 'Verse made Jubal Early... a BLACK man! :)

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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, May 24, 2008 8:47 AM

Well here it goes, my take on River's walk-thru in OIS (which is brilliant by the way, more on this later).

River is seemingly awakened by a voice saying "We're all just floating." Is it Serenity or is it Jubal Early tailing the ship.

She walks around the ship comes upon Simon and Kaylee but only "hears" her brother's innermost thoughts, his secret. Same thing with Jayne and Book. Jayne we know about (see Ariel), which is rather curious to me. Why was Jayne so intent that they didn't find out what he did? But Book's thoughts were really interesting. It was not about River. The popular theory is that Book was once a crooked cop. Perhaps he helped frame someone and is making amends by walking around the universe. Why else would he know so much about crime and guns?

Which brings us to Inarra. This is out there but here it goes: I believe that she was diagnosed with some incurable disease and was possibly talking to the doctor when she says: "I'm a big girl. Just tell me." I believe that the vial she had in the pilot was actually her meds and she was wondering if she should take it. Why else would she insist that anyone, especially Mal, entering her shuttle knock first? Mal's comment refers to the crushing defeat by the Alliance and present day life.

What's most interesting though is that we got no "read" from Kaylee. Is it something that is buried deep within Kaylee's subconcious? Someone had mentioned in another post that Kaylee did not answer Jubal when he asked if she had ever been raped. It is a very interesting theory. As for Wash and Zoe - all she could feel was their love and passion for each other.

Just a few thoughts!

On some planets they juggle geese!

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