1985 film Firefly fans should check out.
POSTED BY: CapnRahn
UPDATED: Friday, April 30, 2004 16:43
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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
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Not John Wayne-- he had a tendency to be hatin' on our Native American bruthas.
Don't hate on the Duke!
Seriously though, John Wayne never wrote the scripts, he just acted in the movies. Sure, all of his earlier movies depicted Native Americans as savage killers bent on scalping settlers, but then again, all westerns from that area stereotyped Native Americans that way.
In John Wayne's later films, once he was a big name star and had more control over such things, the NAs were cast as a people oppressed by an expanding American gov't, a people simply fighting for survival. John Wayne was always a big proponent of protecting the rights of the Native Americans.
Um... this is one of the few times where I have to disagree with Broancoat1. John Wayne may have later become a defender of the Native American, but he's ALSO quoted (more than once) saying some rather un-nice stuff...
... such as "Of course we were justified in taking their land. Many people came to this country, and needed land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it all to themselves"...
Great actor? Sure. Eternally sensitive to the plight of the Native Americans? Not so much...
Movie westerns have never been my thing, although I absolutely LOVE "Tombstone."
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i'm sure you guys all know this already, but just in case... Fistful of dollars is a remake of Kurosawa's Yojimbo.
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Originally posted by Kugelblitz:
Well, if you want to see something with some terrific chinese cultural bits in it, and some pretty good action scenes-watch "The Sand Pebbles". It is set in the 1930s in China and is simply terrific. You could infer about the San Pueblo being a rough equivalent to the Serenity, but it doesn't quite work. Still, it is an an excellent character piece.
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Excellent movie Kuge. Steve McQueen played the main character, whose name escapes me. I have not seen that movie in several years. Good movie though.
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Re: Unforgiven
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Originally posted by Gunhand:
I have a completely irrational aversion to it.
Personally I was just creeped out by the whole crippling Clint Eastwood thing...
I can't watch a second of that film again for that reason!
But I thought 'Firefly' might be partly drawn from 'Gunsmoke'...
you know,
with Inara as Miss Kitty
?
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BadgersHat wrote:
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Um... this is one of the few times where I have to disagree with Broancoat1. John Wayne may have later become a defender of the Native American, but he's ALSO quoted (more than once) saying some rather un-nice stuff...
... such as "Of course we were justified in taking their land. Many people came to this country, and needed land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it all to themselves"...
Great actor? Sure. Eternally sensitive to the plight of the Native Americans? Not so much...
Not saying I doubt your word or anything Hat, but I have never heard that quote from John Wayne and I am interested in where you found it & the credibility of the source.
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."
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Any John Wayne movie. My favs are 'The Searchers', 'The Cowboys', 'The Shootist'.
The others I put high on my western list are 'Lonesome Dove' and 'Shane'.
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I saw an episode of some Biography show a while back, about Western flicks in general.
Also, there's a hi-larious book called "The 776 Stupidest Things Ever Said" from a few years back. His quote is there (with the source, when, where, etc). All the quotes in the book are, unfortunately for the speakers, TRUE... some are pretty awful, too.
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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Steve McQueen played the main character, whose name escapes me.
Jake Holman.
Fantastic movie!Also on the John Wayne thing, it is true that he bad mouth minorities, I remember seeing footage of him doing it on a PBS documentary.
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Originally posted by CapnRahn:
And I am speaking of the - now classic, in my opinion, "Silverado".
Starring the likes of: Kevin Kline, Scott Glenn, a very young looking Kevin Costner, and Danny Glover as Mal.{check his costume!}
Including these notables: Rosanna Arquette, John Cleese, Brian Dennehy, Jeff Goldblum and Linda Hunt.
This film is very Firefly in my opinion. I have not read if Joss has quoted this or its 'base' - Akira Kurosawa's "Shichinin no Samurai" aka "The Magnificent Seven" (1954) as inspiration - but I bet one or both are.
Kurosawa's "Shichinin no Samurai" is commonly known as "The Seven Samurai". I've never seen anybody refer to it as "The Magnificent Seven" since that's the title of the 1960 Western remake. (Actually, hrm, IMDB does list that an an alternate title, but that's really stupid because of the existence of the other movie.)
HoG definitely has a very "Seven Samurai" feel to it.
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Hummm, have you noticed that really good westerns have a tendacy to be 'based', either in part or fully, on Kurosawa's "Shichinin no Samurai" {The Magnificent Seven}?
If you haven't see it - WOW, you need to!
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