Summer Glau's new show: Sarah Connor Chronicles
POSTED BY: Gapsule
UPDATED: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:50
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Hey Jubal...I guess you didn't see my last post....some of us have "chilled" out on it already...really don't need you coming in here admonishing other Browncoats. People are entitled to their opinions, good and bad. Criticize or praise the show, not the opinions.
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Just because you like the show is no reason to start insulting posters. They are entitled to their opinion about the show just as much as you are. But if you have a bad opinion about the poster at least try to keep it constructive please.
As for this next episode I was again unimpressed. The show is getting a little better, but they really need to work on the details. "Chess is a game of total annihilation"? Really since when? I thought it was just about getting to the King. Even then you just get him in checkmate and don't even take the piece. They need to stop trying to sound all deep if they aren't even going to take a minute to think through the dialog.
The Turk was really annoying too. This one is probably because I majored in Computer Science. They're just throwing terms around to sound cool and they clearly don't know what they're talking about. In which case I see no reason for the flashy terms. He doesn't need them to talk to Sarah. She wouldn't understand them anyway. So, just give it a rest.
The terminators are really getting old. I think half the people in this city are terminators. With all of them running around I'm half expecting there to be a big reveal that this FBI agent is a terminator as well and he's just executing his mission to find John and Sarah.
Like most of the people on here, I'm hopeful that they're just finding their footing and it will pick up steam soon. I'm thinking the Reese brother will live and that could help give the story some edge. Did anyone else want to slap the paramedic when he just stood there starring at Sarah? The man isn't breathing!!! Get to work already!!!
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Just because you like the show is no reason to start insulting posters. They are entitled to their opinion about the show just as much as you are. But if you have a bad opinion about the poster at least try to keep it constructive please.
As for this next episode I was again unimpressed. The show is getting a little better, but they really need to work on the details. "Chess is a game of total annihilation"? Really since when? I thought it was just about getting to the King. Even then you just get him in checkmate and don't even take the piece. They need to stop trying to sound all deep if they aren't even going to take a minute to think through the dialog.
The Turk was really annoying too. This one is probably because I majored in Computer Science. They're just throwing terms around to sound cool and they clearly don't know what they're talking about. In which case I see no reason for the flashy terms. He doesn't need them to talk to Sarah. She wouldn't understand them anyway. So, just give it a rest.
The terminators are really getting old. I think half the people in this city are terminators. With all of them running around I'm half expecting there to be a big reveal that this FBI agent is a terminator as well and he's just executing his mission to find John and Sarah.
Like most of the people on here, I'm hopeful that they're just finding their footing and it will pick up steam soon. I'm thinking the Reese brother will live and that could help give the story some edge. Did anyone else want to slap the paramedic when he just stood there starring at Sarah? The man isn't breathing!!! Get to work already!!!
Awesome assessment. 100% agrement here.
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Well.. I am still watching the show and will continue to give it a chance. At least watch it through the episodes they actually have filmed.
But the thing about it. Doesn't matter weither or not who's in the show or who is responsible for the show or what network is broadcasting the show and on and on. If it's not good.. you just can't go on supporting it. Time's too valuable to support something that's not that good.
And out of all the critizisms of TSCC, I don't "hate" it. I am mostly "disappointed" in it.
As an example. The movie "Transformers". A lot of people loved that movie. I thought it was "entertaining" for what it was. Robot on Robot action. It was better than I was expecting it to be when I first heard about it a couple of years earlier. For a "turn your brain off and just enjoy the ride" kind of movie, it was enjoyable. However, I walked away from the movie VERY VERY disappointed. Disappointed in the fact that they actually had some REALLY great ideas in that movie. But they just couldn't decide what kind of movie they wanted it to be. Was it going to be a military thirller? Or a boy and his car buddy movie? Then they throw in the keystone cop sigma six miltary guy, and also the blond and black hackers.. and just one thing after another. Then they would have a scene of "comic relief" that went on for 30 minutes too long. So long in fact you can't remember why they needed comic relief in the first place. And on and on.
Even though I "enjoyed" the movie... I was 100 times more disappointed in it.. because underneight all that unneccisary crap.. there could have been something truely GREAT! But instead.. we have a movie that made tons of money.. will have a sequel or two.. and 1 year after the last movie comes out.. everyone will forget about it.
Instead.. they could have had a movie that 20 years from now would still be on people's mind and in the top X number of sci-fi movies of all time. Sure.. it may not have made 500 million in the first year or whatever, but instead it might have made 750 million or more over the next couple of decades.
TSCC is the same way... I am enjoying it. Summer being one of the few things that isn't a problem with the show. But I am mostly disappointed... because it COULD be great, and I am hoping it still can be). But they started out with so many plot holes and bad writing and messing up cannon.. only to finally show a glimmer of promise here or there.. but then to only drop the ball again.
Oh well.. it IS only the 5th episode... I still have hope it can get better, if it doesn't get cancelled before then.
I would LOVE to know honestly what James Cameron thinks of it so far. I doubt that it would be pretty.
Smaug.
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Seriously, if your watching anything on TV that closely you need therapy,
It's the popular theory.
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I love Risk, should I get pissed when they show a Risk board without Australia?
More to the point, should *I* get pissed if you did?
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Contemptuous? Really...you think they hate their audience?
No, they hold them in contempt. They're not doing their homework. Computer Science, Chess, Terminator bodies lying around undetected in a vault for 8 years, whatever, they botch the details. Badly. And they count on the audience being too stupid to notice. "The Japanese seize control of the center with Bc5." Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds for a supposedly high-level game? Seriously, if they know zilch about chess, then they should either educate themselves or try not to sound like they do! As Mark Twain said: It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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Or is it that because they made a mistake on something dear to your heart thats made you lash out like a two year old?
Physician, heal thyself.
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So now their cheap because a simple mistake was made?
No, they're cheap, pretty much like I said, because they were, erm, too cheap to shell out the $200 or $300 bucks for a real chess program to show on that screen.
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Give it a rest and turn the channel instead of throwing this drivel around.
You've been here too long, really, to be excused for such a tone. And I've been here too long, really, to make a big stink about it. But I start fighting a war, I guarantee you'll see something new. :)
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I thought Browncoats were better than this...very dissapointing to say the least. How can you expect Firefly or Serenity to ever succeed if you don't even stand behind your people. Support Summer instead of becoming the trolls that we so frequently see attacking Firefly. No wonder Serenity tanked at the box office cos you guys can't close ranks. I'm a huge Firefly fan, that's why seeing those comments hurts so much. Feels like betrayal. By the way, how could someone go on and on about the chessgame. Hardly anyone cares that much about chesstournaments these days. If you go that way I could nitpick the crap out of almost every tv show on the air.
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Originally posted by TheMarked:
I thought Browncoats were better than this...very dissapointing to say the least. How can you expect Firefly or Serenity to ever succeed if you don't even stand behind your people. Support Summer instead of becoming the trolls that we so frequently see attacking Firefly. No wonder Serenity tanked at the box office cos you guys can't close ranks. I'm a huge Firefly fan, that's why seeing those comments hurts so much. Feels like betrayal. By the way, how could someone go on and on about the chessgame. Hardly anyone cares that much about chesstournaments these days. If you go that way I could nitpick the crap out of almost every tv show on the air.
With all due respect..
There's a difference between "support" and "blind fanaticism". The show is not good. SUMMER is good. Richard JONES is good. The writing is amateur at best; flaky, cheezy and predictable most of the time. The WRITERS have absolutely NOTHING to do with Firefly.
I watch the show. I enjoy it somewhat, but it's NOT WELL-MADE.
Being a fan of something like Firefly should IMO make you even angrier about this! Look, look what Joss and his team did with their money, and then see what these other idiots did with theirs. And THEY are the ones with a running series?! WTF?!@
This week's episode did not improve on the show's problems at ALL. I know next to NOTHING about chess, but even still the tournament was not believable. Putting Reese' brother into the script was dumb IMO; it comes off as a "LOOK LOOK we've ALMOST GOT THE GUY FROM THE REAL TERMINATOR" stunt to grab fans.
My example of why the writing on this show sucked THIS week: final scene. Reese lays dying on the table...so of course, the EMT-former-almost-Dad guy runs in...and pauses to share a tv moment with Sarah. Totally fake, totally "you are watching a tv show" writing. He then runs in and starts PUMPING ON THE GUY'S CHEST, when we haven't been told anything about the guy's heart stopping. They said his BREATHING had stopped. Big difference.
I should also say these guys never got the memo about CPR..unless you're writing for "ER", where they have very good CPR dummies...DO NOT SHOW CPR FROM A WIDE ANGLE. It cannot LOOK real without hurting the actor, so you're better off just NOT SHOWING IT. You shoot CPR scenes while focused on the giver's face, showing their forceful body motion downward. If the writers had ever seen an old episode of ER (pre-dummies), they would know this. And guess what? they should have.
How much more impact would the scene have had if he ran in, saw dying guy, immediately runs over and starts doing his thing..then looked UP at Sarah and gave the same grim, "what the hell did you do to me" tv moment look he gave at the doorway? It would have conveyed suspense about Reese dying, about what their relationship would be, about what would be said next. They could have ended the show with just that scene, and spared the Sarah voiceover..which is getting old, really quick. Again, predictable. Even shows that LIVE on the voiceover, like "Scrubs", will use the lack of a closing voiceover to change the pace and inject some drama..which was what the last scene was supposed to be about.
So there, there's my negative comments for the week. I support Firefly, and Summer is the only reason I even gave the show a chance after Week 1.
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Originally posted by Muggi:
I watch the show. I enjoy it somewhat, but it's NOT WELL-MADE.
Being a fan of something like Firefly should IMO make you even angrier about this! Look, look what Joss and his team did with their money, and then see what these other idiots did with theirs. And THEY are the ones with a running series?! WTF?!@
This week's episode did not improve on the show's problems at ALL. I know next to NOTHING about chess, but even still the tournament was not believable. Putting Reese' brother into the script was dumb IMO; it comes off as a "LOOK LOOK we've ALMOST GOT THE GUY FROM THE REAL TERMINATOR" stunt to grab fans.
My example of why the writing on this show sucked THIS week: final scene. Reese lays dying on the table...so of course, the EMT-former-almost-Dad guy runs in...and pauses to share a tv moment with Sarah. Totally fake, totally "you are watching a tv show" writing.
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So there, there's my negative comments for the week. I support Firefly, and Summer is the only reason I even gave the show a chance after Week 1.
Very well said, Muggi! I was just gonna write something similar, but you saved me the trouble. :)
Yes, I too love Summer! And there ain't no soul this end of the 'Verse that can't relate. :) And if it weren't for her, I would have long since stopped watching. Have you ever seen me get upset about, say, Bionic Woman? Nope. Shows like that I just consume for light entertainment. It's just that I'm 'invested', so to speak, in the career of Summer: I want her to succeed, and play many new, clever and brilliant roles. And it literally pains me to see that she cannot do so in TSCC.
It ain't about chess, of course; and it never were. It's about bad writing, disinterested prop-guys, and an entire story riddled with holes. The chess thing just made me realize the level of incompetence. I could just as easily have lamented about the whole Turk mumbo-jumbo, or any of the dozens of other major flaws mentioned in this thread. It's just not very good.
I'm also not for blind fanaticism. I love Summer. But I also believe that, at any given time, the most benign thing you can do for a person/show, is tell them the truth. That way, when you compliment them, they know it's real, too. Not that I'm so delusional as to think Summers's actually reading our little thread, but, for my own self, I just can't come here and speak from the heart, as I've done the last few years, and then suddenly fake an attitude about a show that really don't do it for me, just because Summer is in it. Can't say as I feel particularly bad 'bout it, either. Especially since I haven't seen even a single person diss Summer.
And yes, I will see Ep. 6, too. :)
P.S. Reading your nick, there, I just realized that's Quark's mother. :)
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No wonder Serenity tanked at the box office cos you guys can't close ranks.
I think you've lost the high ground here dear. You're pointing fingers at Browncoats for the poor box office results of Serenity? Isn't that a bit absurd...really? If it wasn't for the few, original, dedicated Browncoats, there would never have been a movie in the first place....and that movie has brought millions more into the Firefly verse over the last 2 years. Give it time....patience Grasshopper! Sarah Connor Chronicles and it's quality has nothing to do with Firefly, neither does Nathan being in Desperate Housewives & Waitress, or Jewel & Morena in Stargates. These people are actors...they go where the jobs are. Someday, if were lucky, there might be more of Joss's verse, but we all don't have to love everything the BDH's do for the rest of our lives.
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Originally posted by TheMarked:
No wonder Serenity tanked at the box office cos you guys can't close ranks.
I think you've lost the high ground here dear. You're pointing fingers at Browncoats for the poor box office results of Serenity? Isn't that a bit absurd...really? If it wasn't for the few, original, dedicated Browncoats, there would never have been a movie in the first place....and that movie has brought millions more into the Firefly verse over the last 2 years. Give it time....patience Grasshopper! Sarah Connor Chronicles and it's quality has nothing to do with Firefly, neither does Nathan being in Desperate Housewives & Waitress, or Jewel & Morena in Stargates. These people are actors...they go where the jobs are. Someday, if were lucky, there might be more of Joss's verse, but we all don't have to love everything the BDH's do for the rest of our lives.
Exactly my point. The Browncoats fought to get the movie and failed to fight further. They treated Firefly wrong at Fox. Episodes not in the right order and much more. It wasn't given a fair shot. So don't play by the book this time. And your opinions vary a lot from other opinions considering the show. Hopefully it will be renewed and Summer will get bigger. Serenity 2 has more chance if at least one makes it big. As for the Browncoats. I loved the show and what the fans did to get the movie. The show had love and warmth all over it and that was good. However I'm appalled by how people aimlessly bash Terminator while I myself can see a lot of flaws in Firefly. Nothing is perfect in this world. I can see this is not the place for me and I won't defend Firefly on other forums anymore against mindless trolls who hate things. Seems like at least a couple of you turned into them too. I can take critisism but some of you won't even allow others opinions. I'm dissapointed cos this was the last thing I expected from Browncoats. I wish you luck with Serenity in the future. Goodbye.
ps: How could someone make something good like Firefly and fail so hopelessly with Buffy and Angel? Too bad the worst survived for seasons while the best didn't even get 1. What a damn shame.
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