Summer Glau's new show: Sarah Connor Chronicles
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UPDATED: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:50
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Originally posted by jubalisearly:
First off chill out. I understand that a lot of Firefly fans will hate Fox and those who gave the axe to our beloved show for all time. This show isn't by them, its by some great writers and directors who had nothing to do with Firefly's premature death. Save the venom for the Fox executives please.
This has, if not nothing. then very little to do with Fox cancelling Firefly. It's about those alleged "great writers" who can't even place a chess board correctly. It shows a staggering disinterest in getting things right, and it's downright contemptuous towards the viewer even to think they'd get away with it. It's related to Firefly insofar that Joss was the exact opposite: even the letters from "Safe" contained a 'real' story about River at the Academy, spelling errors and all!!
I've played my fair share of chess tournaments (though I haste to say that, with an ELO of 2061, all I ever was, at best, was but an average player). And that commentary during that game, it was so ridiculous, it was almost laughable. :) And then, instead of shelling out the $200 or $300 bucks to buy a real chess program, they let some dork Photoshop something together, dirt-cheap, that puts a black square in the lower right corner, and splash it on a screen! I mean, really!
For those interested, the game they played was real, btw. It's a very famous game played between Byrne vs. Bobby Fischer, New York 1956. Fischer was only 13 at the time!
1 Nf3 Nf6 2 c4 g6 3 Nc3 Bg7 4 d4 0-0 5 Bf4 d5 6 Qb3 dxc4 7 Qxc4 c6 8 e4 Nbd7 9 Rd1 Nb6 10 Qc5 Bg4 11 Bg5? Na4!! 12 Qa3 Nxc3 13 bxc3 Nxe4 14 Bxe7 Qb6 15 Bc4 Nxc3
Here cometh the show's big Bc5 moment:
16 Bc5 Rfe8+ 17 Kf1 ...
And Fischer's ingenious answer, sacrificing his Queen:
17. ... Be6!! 18 Bxb6 Bxc4+ 19 Kg1 Ne2+ 20 Kf1 Nxd4+ 21 Kg1 Ne2+ 22 Kf1 Nc3+ 23 Kg1 axb6 24 Qb4 Ra4 25 Qxb6 Nxd1 26 h3 Rxa2 27 Kh2 Nxf2 28 Re1 Rxe1 29 Qd8+ Bf8 30 Nxe1 Bd5 31 Nf3 Ne4 32 Qb8 b5 33 h4 h5 34 Ne5 Kg7 35 Kg1 Bc5+ 36 Kf1 Ng3+ 37 Ke1 Bb4+ 38 Kd1 Bb3+ 39 Kc1 Ne2+ 40 Kb1 Nc3+ 41 Kc1 Rc2 checkmate!
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Haven't missed an episode yet, but I don't know how much longer I can watch it. The show is hollow and soul-less. Lena Heady is maybe THE worst actress I've ever seen....no emotion, no believability...just reading her lines off a script. There is not one endearing element in the show (save for Summer's presence) ... ie, I don't like or care about these people, as they've given me nothing about them to like or believe in or care about. I'm rooting for the terminators to kill 'em all. Then show me a flash forward to the future, and all will change, probably for the better. I never really "bought into" the storyline that John Connor...the Great John Connor was the ONLY man in the future who could organize and motivate a resistance... What... no Marines, firemen or cops around? Even those chin-ups Sarah's doing ..well it's obvious she's NOT doing them, they have some guy off-camera lifting her up and down...it's absurd.
I couldn't agree more. And I knew there was a reason I dislike Lena Heady so. :) Her acting is dispassionate and disinterested; all she's really good at expressing is the "Lemme spout these lines so I can get my paycheck and be out of here" look. And as the Sarah character, I find her thoroughly unpleasant, downright sour even.
And the future of the 'Verse in the hands of the Dekker twerp? *shudder* Oh please! His greatest act of resistance so far has been giving his mommy a whiny look for giving him sandwitches to school for lunch, instead of money.
Summer really oughta be careful that this ain't gonna hurt her career.
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I thought it was a good episode. It has a whole bunch of flaws but it's starting to get interesting.. (for me at least).
I liked the terminator fight with Summer and the other robot who or whatever its name is. Tinmiss fought quite well. I thought she'd be thrashed with the hard hits to the face. Whew! She retained her all shiny beauty.
I enjoyed the counseling scene. It was fun to watch. The facial expression was amazing and the voice was really funny. It got me. Really! I kind of expected it but, didn't picture it the same way in my mind.
The Reese brother was quite tragic. Is he really dead? SO who killed the comp guy? I'm now wondering what will happen next now that Sarah's ex fiance met Sarah after 8 years... To ponder.
Anyway, I want to see what happens next. The six episode was rumored to have ballet in it. I'm really looking forward to seeing Summer dance. Yeah, I miss the Angel episode with her dancing ballet.
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I couldn't agree more. And I knew there was a reason I dislike Lena Heady so. :) Her acting is dispassionate and disinterested; all she's really good at expressing is the "Lemme spout these lines so I can get my paycheck and be out of here" look. And as the Sarah character, I find her thoroughly unpleasant, downright sour even.
Yea.. it's taken a few episodes to realize that. I think at first I was so focused on the ridiculous plot holes (like a t-800 skeleton sitting in a bank vault for 8 years and no body notices?? and stuff like that) to see the problem with Sarah. It does seem to me like Lena is acting as if she is sorry she took this roll and almost can't wait to for this show to get cancelled or something. Maybe it's not her.. I think she is a good actress. I thought she was awsome in 300. So maybe it's the directing.. or the writing or something. But she does just seem to be so apathetic. Any sence of urgency and drive that Sarah had from the first two movies seems to be totally gone.
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Tinmiss fought quite well. I thought she'd be thrashed with the hard hits to the face. Whew! She retained her all shiny beauty
That's something that I think they are going to have to come up with a good answer for. Obviously Cameron can't sustain any visible damage (at least to the face) or she won't be able to go out in public anymore. Unless they do that stupid liquid skin/cosmetic surgery crap again. But how many times is Cameron going to be able to fight another terminator and not sustain any damage? After a while it's going to get pretty ridiculous. Actually it's already getting to that point. An easy way around this is to show that Cameron with her smaller size is infinatly faster than any other model terminator and with such speed and grace the larger tank terminators can hardly lay a finger on her. But occassionaly she does get a cut here or there that they can bandage and it will heal natrually. Then they can have an entire story arc when Cameron finally does sustain substansial damage to her skin on her face and they have to try to find a way to fix it... in a way that's better than the crappy idea they already have shown.
All that being said.. I think this 5th episode was probably the best one. I love the idea of the remaining resistance fighter being Kyle's brother! They finally did somethign interesting that ties back to the original films.
However... I'm not sold on the idea of this chess program developed by an intern at Cyberdyne possibly being Skynet 2. I hope this turns out not to be the case.
Smaug
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I know I wrote a pretty negative post earlier and some have agreed with it, or part of it. I'm now thinkin'.....maybe we're being too harsh on the thing. I mean it IS sci-fi....it does feature our beloved Summer...there ARE many great aspects of it....but actually it really could all just be about the "fun" of it...after all, it's not real, it's entertainment. I'm gonna take a lighter stance with it, and not be so 'spectin' of it. Go Summer! You deserve superstardom (if you want it)! Psssst...whisper some Joss go se to the writers.
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It's about those alleged "great writers" who can't even place a chess board correctly.
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I personally doubt the writers had anything to do with the chessboard screw-up. You can lay that at the feet of the props. or special effects departments.
As far as the skinless head flying out of the time travel effect...I don't even recall seeing that in the "original" version of the pilot. So it makes me think it was decided afterward to change during the pilot "makeover". Yeah the makeover that everyone said, was due to the terminator shooting up the classroom and worry that so close to the Virginia Tech shootings might offend, upset or something...
(Oh by the way, the classroom shoot-up remained pretty much intact.)
I'd guess the real reason they added the skinless head was either upper management decided in the 6 months between the original pilot shoot and the pick up of the series they had to get a new actor to play the "big bad"...and this explains why he has a new /different face.
Or, Execs. wanted the flying head to look more robot...as to make sure people understood that wasn't a human head flying at them. Whichever it was, the head clearly had skin going into the travel effect and I doubt it was done by the writers ignorantly or otherwise messing with Terminator canon.
Some interesting things have been thrown on the table by the writers on which I'd like to hear other opinions.
One of those appeared at the end of episode 4, where, after dumping the load of metal into the ocean, we find that Cameron has hidden a slab of the metal in her room.
Another one occurred near the end of episode 5, while the new-found "uncle" is dying on the table, you see Cameron pull out a pencil and paper and start writing. The whole episode carries this side-plot regarding grief and writing notes to dead folks that can't read them. So to whom is Cameron writing?
Jordan, her "new friend" who took a header off the gymnasium roof? She told us she didn't feel grief for her...freaking out the counselor in the process. (whom I think has more than a professional reason to be asking these questions, but...)
The recently dead, computer nerd Andy? I doubt it she was voting to "off" him from the beginning.
The possibly soon to be dead uncle? Hmmm, I doubt that too.
Having learned that writing a note helps humans deal with the death of a fellow human...could Cameron be working out her grief for the terminator she was forced to kill when she pulled the CPU out of it's skull?
Also, where are we going with the chem-lab partner?
Inquiring minds what to know...
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Originally posted by Cabot:
Having learned that writing a note helps humans deal with the death of a fellow human...could Cameron be working out her grief for the terminator she was forced to kill when she pulled the CPU out of it's skull?
That seems most likely.
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Her expression at havig to pull out the CPU seems saddend.
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First of all, I wanted to say hi to everyone since this is my first post. Before I start I'm gonna apologize up front if I hurt anyone's feelings.
Okay, I've been reading this thread and to my surprise people here are really negative about TSCC and sometimes even about Summer. Well, the show is only just beginning...give it some time and it is already enjoyable IMO. The skull coming though had to do with the Fox executes (yes, they're at it again) They didn't want burning flesh surrounding the head when it came through. Could shock people.
Now I'm gonna come to the real reason I'm posting this. The Browncoats shouldn't diss this show, instead support it cos Summer definetly needs it. Do you want them to off another Firefly alumni? Who knows if this gets more succesful Summer will get big and more opportunity for Serenity 2. A lot of people including me have seen the pilot (in my case the leaked pilot in August 2007) and were intrigued by Summer. I checked her out on the net and downloaded Firefly and Serenity. Incredible show that touched my heart and the movie was incredible too. So I guess I'm a second generation Browncoat! I read what all you guys did so a feature film could be made. I felt the need to contribute and bought the DVD of the series and film. I also recruited other new Browncoats who also purchased DVD's. I also read online a lot of people saw Summer in the pilot of TSCC and have seen Firefly afterwards. So you see, Terminator contributes to Firefly and maybe hopefully next time Firefly spawns something new, you'll have a lot more fans than before TSCC hit the small screen. So no more dissing but instead work together. Coz if we don't this series will not last past 9 episodes and Summer does NOT deserve that! Look at what happened to Drive...Browncoats know everything about trolls cos they're always around...especially when something fails like Serenity failed at the box office. They keep saying that you failed to even attend your own screening which meant Serenity was doomed. To me that was the best movie I saw in the last couple of years by the way. So don't nitpick on Summer's new show but close the ranks and stand up for one of the most important Firefly cast members. Who knows? Some good may come from this in the future. The nasty comments feel like betrayal to me and that's why I felt the need to post here. I don't think Summer would like it either. And last but not least...last episode of TSCC was awesome! If the show keeps this up it will be a kick@ss ride!
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Sorry douled up...
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I find it hilarious that anyone could make such a big deal out of so small a mistake a chessboard screw-up. Seriously, if your watching anything on TV that closely you need therapy, or you need to slide a few more inches back because your beginning to suffer from radiation poisoning.
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...it shows a staggering disinterest in getting things right, and it's downright contemptuous towards the viewer even to think they'd get away with it..."
Your a chess fan we get it... theres a lot of people aren't all that into chess, and could careless that a minute detail was screwed up. I love Risk, should I get pissed when they show a Risk board without Australia?
Contemptuous? Really...you think they hate their audience? Or is it that because they made a mistake on something dear to your heart thats made you lash out like a two year old?
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...And then, instead of shelling out the $200 or $300 bucks to buy a real chess program, they let some dork Photoshop something together, dirt-cheap, that puts a black square in the lower right corner, and splash it on a screen! I mean, really!
So now their cheap because a simple mistake was made? Whatever...
This shows writing so far has been pretty strong considering the source material. While it may not be up to Whedon's or Minnear's standards, so far it's head and shoulders up against shows like Smallville, or Stargate 'Yawn'.
I've accused some in here of being so biased against FOX that they have already made up their minds on this show, and I still stand by that. Its entertainment guys (scripted I might add, an increasing rarity in todays TV world.) ...so get off the high horse and change the channel if you don't like it.
So far every critic has given nothing but empty rhetoric and banal statements... ie 'This Show sucks...or wheres Arnold...or Lena Headly sucks'
Give it a rest and turn the channel instead of throwing this drivel around.
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