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It will never truly die. My thoughts having watched 'Firefly'.

POSTED BY: NervousPete
UPDATED: Friday, April 30, 2004 21:02
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Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:56 PM

I'm sitting at work, reading this and wanting to cry. You have articulated so well for me the joy and bittersweet sorrow and love that this show has inspired in me. In fact I AM crying, thank goodness the boss is out right now.

I loved your description of the crew around the table, you captured each of the character's essences so well. If you write any more fan fiction, I would be honoured to read it.

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AX
Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by NervousPete:

Look to them. They still eat in their kitchen. They sit there now, squabbling over the last
drops of wine. Simon abstains, medical book open in front of him - he has notes to take
for further study later. Kaylee thinks that the wine tastes like engine grease, and when
Jayne makes a joke of it, she retorts that she likes the taste of engine grease. The place
erupts, and Zoe finds an excuse to tell a war story - something light with hidden depths -
as Wash leans his head on her shoulder and feels warm. Mal turns the bottle with his hand
and sees the reflection of each crew member in the glass as he does so. Book quotes a
verse and knocks his glass over reaching for the bread, spilling his share upon Jayne, who
looks angry for just a moment, but - fuelled as he is - begins to suck upon his vest, getting
the wine out of it. His friends laugh still harder. The hurt and the arguments traded, they
matter not now, not around this table. River smiles nervously and Inara eyes her with
compassion, passing her a plum. Simon damns the notes and reaches for a glass, to a
ragged huzzah from everyone. And Mal keeps looking into that bottle and sees not the
escape he craved in the dark times of battle and the terrible waiting, but the reflection of
friends and his deep abiding love... Serenity, that shell of steel, ceramic and plastic that
protects and nurtures him and his crew in return for their love. Our love. Our love for
Serenity. Our love for Firefly.



Brilliant. Frelling Brilliant.

Oh, and no kidding on Gaiman, the guy kicks some serious ass. I just read The Sandman this semester, and I own all of his books. Good stuff.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2004 4:14 PM

You need to write to Joss, you need to tell him all of these things, and after you have taken your proper credit, sign it from the rest of us Browncoats. This is exactly why I think Joss writes the stories he does. He doesn't write stories, he writes characters, characters so lush, that the stories come so naturally you would honestly think these people were real. I'm a Buffy & Angel fan. To tell you the truth, I didn't like either at first, I had watched Buffy at first but I had night classes and a life and missed the show for a while. Then I came back and it was like I was stuck in this place, where everything is an inside joke, and I was on the outside. It frustrated me. I didn't get it. So I started buying the DVDs, and I got let in on the joke. Cos honestly in the end I remember characters, their growth, their struggles, their pain, their joy more than I remember any plot line.
It has been said that Buffy was about the struggles of being a teenager, and that Angel is about your twenties. I think that Firefly can't be stuck into an age range, instead I think it has more to do with simple survival. How do you make it in this world? A world so quick to break you down, chew you up and spit you out.
When I got my hands on Firefly (Christmas is truely the best holiday ever), my father (a Buffy addict as well, but he won't admit it) and I sat down and nearly watched the whole series straight through, every available second was dedicated to Firefly watching. At the time I was in a bad place. See I just hit my quarter-life crises. A lot of the time I feel like Serenity in Out of Gas (Tim Minear's finest hour hands down), floating, growing colder, suffocating. But the show really made me see that in all reality, and I know it's cliche, and I shouldn't need a TV show to teach me these lessons, but life really isn't what you make it, it's the people you fill it with. And no matter how broken you are, or how broken the people around you are, you can heal each other, and together you can eke out a life, a life worth living.
I thought it was especially poignant that the series ended (on DVD and for you folks in the UK) with River finding a place on Serenity. Objects in Space is the finest moment of existentialism in TV history. I didn't get the episode until I watched Joss' commentary, and then it was like lightbulbs flashing in my head, my own personal paparatzi. It was that moment that I truely appreciated what a gorram freaking genius Joss is. I don't think TV was ready for Firefly. But I think as the American populace has less of a hunger for that 'Reality-TV' crap (I still blame the UK and Europe for unleashing this on us, why did you do it??? Why???), that a place will be made for Firefly's return. I think a movie will go a long way in these terms.
Also now, as pretty much an official Browncoat, it is now your duty to hook every single person you know on Firefly. I've got my 85 year old Grandmother hooked (I figured if she was addicted Stargate, I could surely improve her TV tastes, and teach her DVD all at the same time). I recommend doing as I do, everyone I know, for their birthdays, is getting Firefly on DVD, whether or not they want it. They don't have a choice. They will recieve it, they will watch, they will fall in love, cos I haven't found a person yet who didn't get sucked in immediately.

Keep flyin' and I look forward to your fan-fic, until the movie it's up to us to keep Serenity flying.
-Adrianna

PS: Your bit on the Blue Hands man and the Lemoncakes had me laughing so hard I nearly shot coffee through my nose.
BTW: A warning to all, in Season 1 of Angel there are scenes in Sanctuary where all the cops are wearing those Blue gloves, apparently much like Summer Glau, some things couldn't be left on Angel. Fortunately they are not in pairs of two, cos that silly Kate Lockley is a lone gun.

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Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:46 PM

Well NervousPete I will give you credit, you certainly have a way w/ words.

I think your well thought out post speaks for all of the Browncoats here, our feelings on Firefly, and its ending far too soon. There is a longing left in all of us, for the stories left untold, the secrets and history left unrevealed. We want to share in the lives and adventures of these characters as long as is possible. We have laughed w/ them, cried w/ them, and have experienced a wide range of emotions and situations through the brilliant acting and storytelling.

I think it is safe to say that all of us here are eager for more of the story of Firefly to be told. We have the BDM on the way, but we want our weekly installments back as well.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:46 AM


Alta wrote:

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My brother has had the DVDs since December & refuses to watch HOG because he says that way, there will always be one episode left, & the series will not be over.


Alta, have you seen HoG? If so, then you know you must get your brother to view that last episode. In HoG (without spoiling anything) Zoe speaks the truest when she says "I'm not so afraid of losing something that I won't try havin' it."

And you don't wanna argue with Zoe...


Respectfully,

zoid

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Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:10 AM

Yes, this is why Firefly will never die. Once you been to Serenity you never leave. It is even in the theme song that we all have come to love.

I think Firefly is beginning to become a cultural breaking event.

Someone in my college dropped a book in the library while I was doing some research for a paper. He said 'gorram it' and I knew instantly that he was one of us Browncoats.

The thing is though that it is not just a small cultural event that is isolated to one country or region but it is all over the world.

"Doing the impossible makes us mighty," said Captain Malcolm Reynolds. We Browncoats have done the impossible and are continuing the impossible. Unlike most people, we are fighting for a home. Serenity is our home. We will never leave it until we die and that is what has made us mighty.

That is why I always speak out against others when they say that it is inevitable for the Browncoat community to break apart. I speak out because we are all in the same home. We may not always agree but who ever does. We are family and we have a home. That is what makes Firefly so different and makes the Browncoat community so different than any other fandom. We aren't a cult, fandom, or group. We are a family with a home we call Serenity.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:48 PM

No new posts today? Well, I'll add one from my timeline over this side of the Atlantic then.

Cultural phenomenon is a good way to describe it. The fact is that it is genre-crossing stuff. These characters, the truth of them, could be anywhere, anywhen, have any name and speak any language. Their hopes, fears, loves and hates would still make them real. I sometimes have the feeling that Joss watches his characters the way a scientist must sometimes watch the lab rats in his care - hating what he must do to them, but knowing that it is for the greater good. It's the sympathy and empathy that come through and allow us to find ways to forgive the characters (and ourselves) for our weaknesses, failings, and moments of despair. It's Agent Smith's comment, "Only human" viewed from the other side, with immense sympathy and understanding.

Joss, I hope you never stop writing, because we need this stuff. Go dark places and show us the way through them. Or not, because that's how it is some times, but don't stop challenging preconceptions and boundaries that make us forget what's common to us all.

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Friday, April 30, 2004 1:50 AM

No one has ever articulated how I feel about Firefly, particularly how I feel after finishing watching it all the way through each time. Thank you, NervousPete.

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Friday, April 30, 2004 2:45 AM

Reading your post, Mr. Pete, I imagined myself in the theatre watching the Big Damn Movie. And you know what I saw? Everyone in that theatre laughing, crying, and applauding together. Because we are all bringing something with us into that movie, and what that is you perfectly described.

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Friday, April 30, 2004 12:04 PM

NervousPete, can I repost your wonderful thoughts at another Firefly forum I mod at?

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