Who is for Ron Paul and Why?

POSTED BY: Wulfenstar
UPDATED: Friday, February 8, 2008 16:08
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 8, 2008 2:27 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
You mean the Irish guy from Star Trek? Hummmm, can't really imagine Frem in a Jeffries tube.

Ha! How is it that amidst all of our insulting each other, I never realized what a sense of humor you had? I think the only things that would have to watch their back around him would be the sheep when he's wearing a kilt.

Nope... not that O'Brian.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 8, 2008 2:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
You mean the Irish guy from Star Trek? Hummmm, can't really imagine Frem in a Jeffries tube.

Ha! How is it that amidst all of our insulting each other, I never realized what a sense of humor you had? I think the only things that would have to watch their back around him would be the sheep when he's wearing a kilt.

Nope... not that O'Brien.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

MOLOTOV

Friday, February 8, 2008 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Nope... not that O'Brien.

He's referring to the government plant that ends up entrapping and pinching Winston, in Orwell's 1984.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 8, 2008 11:42 AM

Right you are Molotov....

No offence intended... unless of course you are O'Brien

Perhaps I'm O'Brien....? Sure as hell would throw most people around here for a loop if I were to be Big Brother's #1 meat puppet.

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, February 8, 2008 12:01 PM

There's also the concept of using an O'Brien position and facade to keep the powers that be out of your hair as you actively recruit the dangerously effective ones for your own purposes - while handing over the clueless boneheaded idealists to make points and keep them from screwing your plans up.

Winston didn't make the cut, he was too damn co-dependent, needing a dangerous level of continual positive reinforcement in order to continue resistance activity - and he really did not have the complexity of persona required to effectively sham the system for any length of time, nor the strength of character to feed disinfo to an interrogator and make it believable.

The key to dealing with such, is to play the game from the side of the table, rather than the ends, leaving them always guessing and wondering, never quite sure who's side you're on or what angle you're playing.. until it's too damn late to do anything about it.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 8, 2008 12:07 PM

So......

I guess we're doing a pretty damn good job doing whatever it is we're doing for whoever it is we're doing it for. If it is that we are doing anything at all for anyone in the first place.

Down here, we're all mad Alice

Afterthought: .... Maybe that wasn't the real end to 1984. Maybe O'Brien wasn't really an O'Brien at all and it was Winston's own co-dependancies and shortcomings that did him in at the end. Would certainly make the story a happier ending for me, anyways.

I never looked at it that way Frem. Thanks for that point of view.

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, February 8, 2008 2:10 PM

"I never looked at it that way Frem. Thanks for that point of view."

Something to keep in mind always.

Ponder this.. in V for Vendetta what do you think V might have *done* IF, when the pressure was on, Evey sold him out right up front ?

For all his charisma and logic, V was NOT a very nice person - she'd not have left that place alive, that being the case, I assure you.

O'Brien may well have been playing both ends of the game, his cryptic comment to Winston near the end is very telling.

(Winston) "Does the Brotherhood exist?"

(O'Brien) "That, Winston, you will never know. If we choose to set you free when we have finished with you, and if you live to be ninety years old, still you will never learn whether the answer to that question is Yes or No. As long as you live it will be an unsolved riddle in your mind."

Because Winston can't keep his mouth shut, be discreet, and doesn't even have the sense to NOT ASK that question, especially not in a monitored environment.

Would YOU have told him ?

-F

WULFENSTAR

Friday, February 8, 2008 2:28 PM

Ok, another question. Does Ron Paul really have a chance this time?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 8, 2008 2:38 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
O'Brien may well have been playing both ends of the game, his cryptic comment to Winston near the end is very telling.

(Winston) "Does the Brotherhood exist?"

(O'Brien) "That, Winston, you will never know. If we choose to set you free when we have finished with you, and if you live to be ninety years old, still you will never learn whether the answer to that question is Yes or No. As long as you live it will be an unsolved riddle in your mind."

Because Winston can't keep his mouth shut, be discreet, and doesn't even have the sense to NOT ASK that question, especially not in a monitored environment.

Would YOU have told him ?

Wow....

Frem. No matter what anybody ever says about you, you're one hell of a guy. You may very well have changed my life right there. I'll indulge you a bit more on the whys if we ever have the pleasure of sharing a bottle of whiskey

Now I've got to read that book again. Funny how the way you go into something can have a dramatic effect on what you may take out of it in the end...

O'Brien may have very well surpassed Shepard Book as the most profound and mysterious character I've ever had the pleasure of knowing through my short, boring and relatively naive existence.

There is a whole 'nother book to be written.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 8, 2008 3:12 PM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok, another question. Does Ron Paul really have a chance this time?

This time?

It's still the first time, my friend. We haven't even reached the primaries yet and FuX and CoNN are going to spin this whatever way they want/need to.

Screw the polls. The way I look at it, Romney dropped out, and Dr. Paul is still there. The only thing that has happened in the last week is that he stepped another rung up the ladder. Though not exactly a "household" name yet, he's got enough steam going and money behind him that he's got hot shot lawyer types with more money than they know what to do with and girls on both arms going out of their way to initiate threads to take pot shots at him.

http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=32508

Why bother, I figure, if Dr. Paul hasn't gotten deep enough under the skin to make them think just a little bit about what their lives would be if they weren't important anymore.

Just look at the guy talk. At his age, he's got more energy in him than I do on most days.

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