Inara / BDM

POSTED BY: wytchcroft
UPDATED: Sunday, February 24, 2008 20:51
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WYTCHCROFT

Monday, February 4, 2008 1:10 PM

there's already been plenty of useful posts from people about Inara and her moon -
but everytime i watcht he out-takes from the BDM i get a different feeling about things -
e.g. was Inara trying to set up her own establishment? a sort of Guild for the rim?
would the sihnon based Guild stand for this - or are they purely Core oriented?
Nandi's backwater home would seem to indicate a lack of interest in the further worlds. But post BDM? i suspect the guild may have a desire to expand./strengthen.
Maybe Book wasn't a Shepherd
and Maybe Inara's invaded moon didn't belong to the Guild... but i think there would be reactions from both...

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 4:52 AM

Inara and Sheydra were trained Companions, Inara still a member of the Guild in good standing, didn't see anything indicating Sheydra wasn't the same.

Registered Companions retained status throughout the verse.

Sheydra established Training House, but the pupils where not of the caliber needed for Registered Companions - Inara said they had no discipline, she was trained since early childhood, and these trainees were far too old for full training.

Don't see any reason the events of BDM would change anything regarding the Guild.

I didn't see anything stating Madrassa House on Sihnon was the sole authorized House in the verse.

PLATONIST

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 5:45 AM

That would be an interesting twist, wytchcroft.

I've always assumed the Training House shown in the BDM was a satellite house, established to expand the Guild, on the rim, but still Guild regulated.

In Those Left Behind, Inara says something about needing to get to her "duties", as Mal is not taking her. Meaning? That she had been offered a teaching position at a newly established house to train potential Companions to survive away from the core, as she did on Serenity, with mixed results. Which begs the question, can or can she NOT even return to Shinon?

And, how come the Operative was able to coerce her into setting a trap for Serenity if we are to believe Companions have a high cultural status? She seemed powerless in denying the Operative, and after she escaped the Operative is shown having tea! The Guild may have political power within the Alliance, but it doesn't seem to be extended to their individual members.

It just reeks of blatant inconsistency with her role and character, no wonder why Joss left it to the DVD deletes.

WYTCHCROFT

Wednesday, February 6, 2008 1:25 PM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Inara and Sheydra were trained Companions, Inara still a member of the Guild in good standing,

well - that's debatable given dialoge in both the pilot and Bushwacked.

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Sheydra established Training House,
but the pupils where not of the caliber needed for Registered Companions - Inara said they had no discipline, she was trained since early childhood, and these trainees were far too old for full training.

right - so who were they? The Guild trains from a young age - if Sheydra set up a training house in the rim then does she pay dues to the guild in the core? What makes this any different from Nandi's house of women?? Are there rival guilds etc.

OR - if too old for 'FULL' training perhaps (as with Geisha) there are differing types of companion... but watching the training footage - i aint convinced.

The more i look - the muddier it gets:)

Platonist, you seem to me to hit several nails on the head!:) There's a lot of intriguing and frustrating questions... also: did the Guild tell the Operative where Inara was? are they culpable in whatever damage the SWAT team did? etc

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 7, 2008 6:26 AM

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Inara and Sheydra were trained Companions, Inara still a member of the Guild in good standing,

well - that's debatable given dialoge in both the pilot and Bushwacked.

Which dialogue? What disputes she is still a Registered Companion? In TTJ, The Sheriff checked several times her papers and documents - if she was no longer a RC, would they not have found out before releasing their catch (Mal & Zoe) to her? All of the episodes have her status as RC repeated - are you saying she is lying to everybody, she is no longer a RC? She gets appointments from her Registry status in the Guild - that's how her "respectable clients" find her. Are you saying this is all fabrication?

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Sheydra established Training House,
but the pupils where not of the caliber needed for Registered Companions - Inara said they had no discipline, she was trained since early childhood, and these trainees were far too old for full training.

right - so who were they? The Guild trains from a young age - if Sheydra set up a training house in the rim then does she pay dues to the guild in the core? What makes this any different from Nandi's house of women?? Are there rival guilds etc.

OR - if too old for 'FULL' training perhaps (as with Geisha) there are differing types of companion... but watching the training footage - i aint convinced.

The more i look - the muddier it gets:)

Platonist, you seem to me to hit several nails on the head!:) There's a lot of intriguing and frustrating questions... also: did the Guild tell the Operative where Inara was? are they culpable in whatever damage the SWAT team did? etc

She is registered, and she is a business. When the Operative finds her, it is as simple as looking up the address of your neighborhood business.

Nandi has no Guild affiliation, and she seems to desire none.
Sheydra may be trying to start one up - one must start someplace. Not all trainees will continue on - even where Inara trained. There will still be training available to those who pay, even if they do not intend to become RCs. Sheydra's could be similar to a RC prep school, or any lesser non-affiliated training - regardless, having 2 RCs raises the esteem of any training facility, moreso on the rim.

WYTCHCROFT

Thursday, February 7, 2008 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by wytchcroft:
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Inara and Sheydra were trained Companions, Inara still a member of the Guild in good standing,

well - that's debatable given dialoge in both the pilot and Bushwacked.

Which dialogue? What disputes she is still a Registered Companion? In TTJ, The Sheriff checked several times her papers and documents - if she was no longer a RC, would they not have found out before releasing their catch (Mal & Zoe) to her? All of the episodes have her status as RC repeated - are you saying she is lying to everybody, she is no longer a RC? She gets appointments from her Registry status in the Guild - that's how her "respectable clients" find her. Are you saying this is all fabrication?

NO no no. just wondering as to her standing with the guild - no way do i doubt her Companion status.

as to hints in the tv show - well, is she "running" from something or not? why does she truck around in the rim when the best work would be in the core... when she could have been 'high priestess' (apparently) even?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 8, 2008 6:49 AM

Running from one individual House would not end her membership, right? Being a Registered Companion means being in the Guild, right? She would still be free to associate with any House.
Since no man is allowed to run a House, surely this bitchy catfighting happens a bunch among RCs.

Where she not in the Guild, her comments in Shindig about blackmarking Atherton among all Registered Companions would have little meaning.

Not disagreeing regarding her "running" or not, just that it should not affect her Registered status.

WYTCHCROFT

Friday, February 8, 2008 10:16 AM

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Not disagreeing regarding her "running" or not, just that it should not affect her Registered status.

that is really interesting!:)
thanks - you've made me consider guild structures (independent houses for example)and licensing issues i might well have pushed to one side.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, February 8, 2008 11:28 AM

An undercurrent of idea I detect is that it would somehow be less lucrative as an independently available RC compared to in House. Although she was reportedly very sought after in the Madrassa House, in a business sense that's not the best way to rake in the most dough.

Think about it - you're in a House with mutlitudes of other RCs. This is not like hookers today - they are not hard to find - but the House would be more inconvenient for most of the verse. An independent, on the other hand can go anywhere, choose anybody on hundreds of planets and moons, effectively without competition - while the Housemates are certainly in0-Houose competition. A reasonably scheduled and dependable travel craft would surely be more profitable.
Really, the only downside is that Mal has to avoid civilized places while on the run with the Tams. Otherwise I wold think Inara being the independent contractor would be more lucrative.

The guild status of Inara and Sheydra should not be affected - not sure about Nandi, if Nandi cared. On Nandi's planet, the house was run by a man which she ran off - this is against guild law, and laws of the Alliance for RCs - so Heart of Gold was clearly not set up to be for RCs.

TRAVELER

Saturday, February 9, 2008 12:45 AM

There may be other types of training in the Guild. There may be more occupations than just Registered Companions in the Guild.

There may be other types of careers a person could go into depending on the education you get in the Guild.

It can also be like a convent where you go to live a spiritual life. I got the impression Inara was not a practicing Companion anymore. She was just a teacher.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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