Israelis Create Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza
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Quote:Finn... they already do. Everything that I wrote in my analogy... destroying the homes of family member of suspected terrorists; disrupting the lives of everyone in the area, including blocking medical supplies and water; missile and tank attacks which kill innocent civilians... is ALREADY happening. And MORE innocent civilians are being killed than if IDF would simply grab the same number of civilians from the other side of the wall... in this case 11, and do to them exactly what happened to Israeli citizens (injure them).
You’re actually saying that the Israelis should respond to terrorism with terrorism, indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians with indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians, an eye for an eye.
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Quote:Basically, that‘s just astoundingly naive. The IDF does not indiscriminately destroy the homes of Palestinians. They do not indiscriminately kill Palestinians. They target terrorists and militants, not innocent civilians. Now setting aside the almost certain fact that as soon as Israel started doing exactly what you suggest they should, you would start condemning them as murderers and terrorists, no different then you‘re doing now, it wouldn’t have the effect you are suggesting. Indiscriminately killing 11 innocent Palestinians would not stop the hundreds of others Palestinians from being killed when they fire on the IDF or happen to be used as a human shield by Palestinians attacking the IDF. In fact, it would have the opposite effect, when the family of those 11 indiscriminate Palestinians turn militant and start attacking the IDF soldiers.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Finn... they already do. Everything that I wrote in my analogy... destroying the homes of family member of suspected terrorists; disrupting the lives of everyone in the area, including blocking medical supplies and water; missile and tank attacks which kill innocent civilians... is ALREADY happening. And MORE innocent civilians are being killed than if IDF would simply grab the same number of civilians from the other side of the wall... in this case 11, and do to them exactly what happened to Israeli citizens (injure them).
You’re actually saying that the Israelis should respond to terrorism with terrorism, indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians with indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians, an eye for an eye.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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Originally posted by rue:
"You’re actually saying that the Israelis should respond to terrorism with ... indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians ..."
And you're saying they're not ?
It is a known terrorist tactic to conduct missile strikes to civilian targets from civilian targets. How do you stop terrorists from operating when they are imbedded within the civilian population? Do you allow rocket attacks to go unanswered? Do you not try find and destroy bomb making sites?
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Quote:Killing? Who said anything about killing? Hamas launched 150 rockets, wounding 11 Israelis. So, rough them up, maybe.
killing 11 innocent Palestinians
Quote:They most certainly do.
They do not indiscriminately kill Palestinians.
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Quote:God, you’re naive and uninformed. There have been over a thousand Israelis killed in the al-Aqsa Intifada, most of them by suicide bombers and rockets against soft (civilian) targets. And about 4000 Palestinians are killed when they attack IDF, largely from civilian embedded positions. So if, on top of defending themselves, the IDF also summarily executes ~800-900 innocent Palestinian civilians in retribution for the ~800-900 innocent Israeli civilian deaths, that’s about a thousand extra militants to add to the next Intifada, which translates into about 2000 extra Palestinian deaths, half of them innocent human shields. Yeah, the Palestinians are certain to make out like bandits with this deal.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Killing? Who said anything about killing? Hamas launched 150 rockets, wounding 11 Israelis. So, rough them up, maybe.
killing 11 innocent Palestinians
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I'm just refering to the "latest round" of violence between Israel and Gaza. But if you've got facts and figures, provide the links. 'Cause my link says otherwise.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4294502.stm
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3,218 killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 657 aged under 18, 187 killed in extrajudicial executions and 296 (including at least 29 aged under 18) killed in the course of assassination operations. 444 civilians killed in Israel
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strangely, the link doesn't always work. Here's the article in ful:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/42945
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The five years of the Palestinian intifada have cost more than 4,000 lives. Btselem, an Israeli human rights group, has been tracking casualty figures on both sides.
Most of the statistics cover the period from 29 September 2000 to 15 September 2005.
PALESTINIANS KILLED BY ISRAELIS
3,218 killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza including 657 aged under 18, 187 killed in extrajudicial executions and 296 (including at least 29 aged under 18) killed in the course of assassination operations.
56 killed by security forces in Israel including one aged under 18
41 killed by Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza including at least three aged under 18
{ETA TOTAL: 3500}
ISRAELIS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS
444 civilians killed in Israel including 80 aged under 18
223 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip including 37 aged under 18
221 Israeli security forces killed in West Bank and Gaza
84 Israeli security forces killed in Israel
{ETA TOTAL: 971}
PALESTINIANS KILLED BY PALESTINIANS
112 killed by Palestinian civilians on suspicion of collaborating
50 killed by Palestinians in other circumstances
FOREIGN CITIZENS
32 foreign citizens (including at least two aged under 18) were killed by Palestinians in Israel
10 foreign citizens were killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza
15 foreign citizens were killed by Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza
Killings by foreign citizens
3 Israeli civilians were killed by foreign citizens (for September 2000 to September 2004)
PALESTINIAN CITIZENS OF ISRAEL
(for September 2000 to September 2004)
Palestinian citizens of Israel killed:
13 Palestinian citizens of Israel were killed in Israel by the Israeli police and border police.
4 Palestinian citizens of Israel were killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
Killings by Palestinian citizens of Israel
(for September 2000 to September 2004)
3 Israeli citizens were killed in Israel by Palestinian citizens of Israel
1 member of the Israeli security forces was killed in Israel by a Palestinian citizen of Israel
The above figures do not include:
Palestinians who died after medical treatment was delayed due to restrictions of movement
Palestinians killed by an explosive device that they set or was on their person
12 Palestinian citizens of Israel killed within Israel by the Israeli police in October 2000
One Jewish Israeli citizen killed within Israel by a Palestinian Israeli citizen in October 2000
Two Jewish Israeli citizens and one member of the Israeli security forces, killed by a Palestinian citizen of Israel in Nahariya in September 2001
Four Palestinian citizens of Israel killed by Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) gunfire in the West Bank and Gaza
One Palestinian citizen of Israel killed by Border Police gunfire within Israel in July 2003
Five Palestinian citizens of Israel killed by an absconded IDF soldier on a bus in Shfaram, within Israel, in August 2005 and the shooting soldier, beaten to death by Palestinian citizens of Israel
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Better yet, just go to Btselem directly for the latest figures
http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp
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Quote:Well this has been going on for a lot longer then just the latest round and it will continue going on, and if Israel starts indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians for retribution, it will go on even longer. As far as the numbers go, they are from memory. If you have links that say 3200 instead of 4000 fine (although your figures only go to 2005). It doesn’t change my point.
Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm just refering to the "latest round" of violence between Israel and Gaza. But if you've got facts and figures, provide the links. 'Cause my link says otherwise.
And here’s a real nugget of genius in your little innocent Palestinian retribution killings strategy. Terrorists are notoriously adaptive, and some of them will stop blowing themselves up and start setting bombs. When they go off, you’ll go kill a bunch of Palestinians for retribution, while the real bad-guys set up for your next round of retribution killings, knowing that as long as your focusing on indiscriminately killing innocent Palestinians, you’ll not be targeting the guys actually killing Israelis. You’ll basically create an environment in which the real masterminds are free to operate at will.
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Quote:My last link as figures updated to 2007.
(although your figures only go to 2005
Quote:Possibly because your points are fact-resistant?
It doesn’t change my point.
Quote:Ah, so you support indiscriminate, large-scale killing because of what terrorists might do? I'm telling you Finn- It would be far more humane if the IDF just went for "an eye for an eye". I think most Palestinians would "get it" and even respect it.
Terrorists are notoriously adaptive
You haven't brought up an argument about the blockade that Israel has set up around Gaza yet that you should. I'll wait a while and see if you figure it out.
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