Angel and Cordy vs. Angel and Gwen

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LIVINGIMPAIRED

Friday, October 18, 2002 4:18 PM

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Originally posted by Kalimac:
Oh, I'm a Buffy/Angel guy all the way, don't get me wrong. But even back then, Angel seemed more comfortable with Cordy.

At the risk of of sounding bitchy and arugementative (

), I'd have to disagree with that as well. Prior to the spin off, the number of scenes where Cordelia and Angel have a conversation can be counted on one hand. Most of those scenes went along the lines of:

1) Cordelia "drooling in Angel's cappichino" and otherwise trying to steal him away from Buffy. (In fact, because Cordy was an evil bitch monster back then, her motivations come off more along the lines of her wanting Angel because Buffy had the hottie, as opposed to genuinely having feelings for him.)
2) Angel being polite, but extremely not interested in Cordelia's advances. (ie, "Halloween" where Cordy starts talking to him, but he completely ignores her in favor of checking on Buffy).

As for comfort, I really don't think that Angel could have looked any LESS comfortable in "Some Assembly Required," with Cordy hanging on his arm.

In short, I don't see the Chemistry between those two. I would say this whole thing came from nowhere, but I don't think that really gives a good idea of the sheer amount of nowhere that came out of.

Oh, and where did you find that proposed line? I don't remember reading that in a shooting script.

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BOBKNAPTOR

Friday, October 18, 2002 6:15 PM

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Originally posted by Kalimac:
"You know, just because I can't know perfect happiness, doesn't mean you can't." )

It is a great line. Can't he say it to Buffy? I know that it'll never happen... not just because Joss never lets anyone be truly happy for very long, or because it would be the end of both shows, but also because of the whole "competing Networks" thing... But if I were in charge of the world, Cordy would use her new-found powers from being a higher being to lift the "perfect happiness" part of the curse. I mean, come on... Spike has his soul without that caveat, so we know there's no cosmic law against it in the Buffy/Angel-verse. So, Angel has his soul, and no fear of losing it. Buffy moves to LA (she needs a change of scene), gets back together with Angel, and is a partner in Angel investigations. Plenty of rooms in the hotel for Dawn and Willow and Xander. Xander could find plenty of construction work. Willow is less likely to be seen as the girl who tried to destroy the world in LA. Not to mention the gay scene is probably much better there. Dawn can help straighten Connor out. And Buffy and Angel get to live happily ever after.

As for Cordy, get Groo back here! He really loved her (even if he was kinda annoying). And she got to be princess with him, which is what she's always wanted to be.

I haven't figured out yet how to make Wes and Lorne also perfectly happy. With Wes, I'm leaning towards the three-way with Fred and Gunn, just because Fred is the only girl he's ever been interested in that I liked. I'm pretty sure Lorne is gay, although they've never said one way or the other. (Comments like "How fabulous would I look in that coat" and "Then at least, you'd be in leather pants." make me think he's secretly in love with Angel.) So maybe he meets some nice peaceful demon guy who plays piano, and they turn the Ballroom of the Hotel into a piano bar where his new boy plays and he sings.

But that's my dream for the big happily ever after scenario. No, demons have not been exterminated from the earth. There's still lots to keep the team of Angel Investigations and the Scoobies from getting bored, but they are happy as they fight the good fight.

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LIVINGIMPAIRED

Friday, October 18, 2002 7:59 PM

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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
I'm pretty sure Lorne is gay, although they've never said one way or the other. (Comments like "How fabulous would I look in that coat" and "Then at least, you'd be in leather pants." make me think he's secretly in love with Angel.)

Actually, I don't think Lorne is gay. In fact, he's even commented on how he thinks Cordy's hot, and he'd totally go for her if she was more into the color green. I think that Lorne gives off the gay vibe because human males look very like the females of his species. The role of Lorne's mother was played by a male actor. So he probably does think that Angel is hot, and would love to see Angel in leather pants. But I don't think Lorne wants to get naked with the love--he still likes girls.

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REXRAYGUN

Friday, October 18, 2002 9:37 PM

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Originally posted by LivingImpaired:
Actually, I don't think Lorne is gay. In fact, he's even commented on how he thinks Cordy's hot, and he'd totally go for her if she was more into the color green. I think that Lorne gives off the gay vibe because human males look very like the females of his species. The role of Lorne's mother was played by a male actor. So he probably does think that Angel is hot, and would love to see Angel in leather pants. But I don't think Lorne wants to get naked with the love--he still likes girls.

I'd have to agree with you on that one. Though Lorne is a great deal more flamboyant than a straight male HUMAN might be (Liberace meets the Rat Pack!) I just don't get any sort of impression that he is gay. But then again, I might be wrong. My Gaydar(TM) might be out of tune! Remember, there was the thing with the three women who were going to work the Sanctuary spell on the club, and they seemed to relate to him in a sexual manner.

Of course, it could be that he was just so fabulous and fun to be around! I am glad that they moved Lorne out, as he was starting to do the Fonzie thing and steal the show every episode. Hard not to do when you're the only happy character in their dark little world. I hope he has a major return every few episodes, but not that he's a big player on every show, as he overwhelms the rest of the cast sometimes.

Just my dos pesos,

Rex!

KALIMAC

Monday, October 21, 2002 3:26 PM

LivingImpaired, Greenwalt mentioned in an interview how much he wanted to be able to work that line into an episode. Maybe not being able to develop this kind of storyline is the reason he felt he had to traitorously abandon us for that mid-season replacement travesty.

Sorry. Got side-tracked.

As for Lorne, I've always gotten a major gay vibe off him (my Dad, on viewing Judgment automatically labeled him a "gay-blade demon"). On the other hand, he also loves the women. Surely the two are not incompatible?

On the other hand, interesting theory on the masculinity of Lorne's mother. While we did see more feminine females on Pylea (e.g. the woman who 'owned' Cordy) I don't know if any of them were of the "green" species, or just the "pinks". Are all "green" women masculine? Or is it just an oedipal thing with Lorne?

But, yeah, Lorne's constant come-ons to Angel, as well as his 'fabulous' persona, scream "gay". And I think it was Happy Anniversary where, after mentioning Cordy's attractiveness, he says that the English guy "is going to be playing a HUGE role..." Some interpreted this as a hint of Wesley's destiny, but I thought (given the context) he was meaning to finish this by discussing Wesley' prominence in his dreams, and/or fantasies.

Anyway, as Andy Hallet himself said: "It's meant to be ambiguous."

Keep Flying

BOBKNAPTOR

Monday, October 21, 2002 6:01 PM

Well, I could definitely accept Lorne as being bisexual. But I just don't see him as being straight as an arrow.... Maybe he's just too fabulous for one gender.

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