Anybody know if Serenity went to Boros?
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My set was loaned out, but I just reviewed some. They intended to go to Boros before setting on Persephone. apparently planning to vacation on Boros with the moola they got from Badger.
They had to sell to Patience for a big discount, not the big profit they planned on getting from Badger.
If vacation was the sole purpose of going to Boros, that put an end to it. I did not see any other function for going to Boros. If they did go, it seemed it would be after The Train Job.
Simon had figured River would be in the box at least another week, so Boros must be less than a week from Persephone, not to mention the day or 2 delay via Whitefall.
They did get an agent to track the Tams to Persephone and onto Serenity, no guaranty they didn't get word of the destination Boros. The docking data port on Persephone listed the destination, and when Dobson disappears, merely checking all the departing ship destinations could get them to go to Boros, so why risk going there if not required to?
I mentioned Simon introduced River to Mal in TTJ, but that was in the script. Now I see that line did not get into the aired episode, but they did include "Mal. Bad. In the Latin." Also that they were not home, they were on a ship, which River described in more detail than Mal remembered, and Simon's "I still don't know what she knows" or such was also not included in final cut.
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Regarding the maps, these are planetary bodies orbiting around the sun/star. At some point, they would get closer to each other, unless they are in complimentary orbit and always in the opposite orbital position in the solar system.
And I thought the Pilot script had Mal saying Whitefall was the 4th moon on Athens.
Didn't badger also threaten them that if they arrived on Boros witht he goods, the Alliance would be waiting for them, he was fair sure of it.
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And as for the topic, I think that the reason why they had Boros as a destination was to pick up more passengers, and I don't think they really were going to go to Boros anyway. They just wanted to get into space so when they figured out where to sell the cargo they'd already have some distance covered.
It is entirely possible that what you say is true: that they never meant to go there anyway. However, two things leap to mind that make me not so sure:
1): They already had their cargo onboard, and had planned to sell it right there, on Persephone, to Badger. That plan fell through, and Zoe suggested they sell it on Boros instead. To which Mal rightly pointed out -- them being Alliance goods and all, and Boros somewhat crawling with Alliance -- that the risk of doing so was too high, and that it would have to be somewhere else on the rim (which turned out to be, somewhat reluctantly, Whitefall, as we all know). My long-winded point being: I don't think they planned on going to Boros only after the deal with Badger got busted.
2): Simon had definite plans to bring River to Boros. So, if everything were right... well, they'd be in jail. :) But other than that, if everything had gone according to plan, it stands to reason they'd delivered Simon and box on Boros, right?
On the other hand, the Train Job takes place at a small mining moon, called Regina. Now, my planetary knowledge of the 'Verse has always been somewhat limited (on account of my brain missing), but I believe Regina, together with Whitefall and Higgin's Moon, is one of the three moons orbiting Athens (Ezra, the barren moon that Niska has his space station, is near Greenleaf and Lilac, all orbiting a gas giant called Georgia).
So, where does that leave us? Much of the maps are somewhat speculative/tentative, but if it's true that Regina really is quite opposite on the map to Boros, I dunno, then still going to Boros would make their trip to Whitefall and Ezra (to drop of the goods on Niska's doorstep) quite a detour.
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Where do you get Regina as the planet with Paradiso and Hancock? What reference is that from? I haven't fond any mention of that.
When they leave atmo from the U-day bar (which has 3 very close moons), they pass by a planet with rings - do you think this is Beylix - I haven't seen another body indicated with rings. Is the U-Day bar supposed to be on a moon of Beylix?
Also, where did you get your verse planetary data?
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Where do you get Regina as the planet with Paradiso and Hancock? What reference is that from?
I usually look to wikipedia for a quick planetary reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Firefly_planets_and_moons
But firefkywiki has Regina now listed too, I see:
http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/Regina
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When they leave atmo from the U-day bar (which has 3 very close moons), they pass by a planet with rings - do you think this is Beylix - I haven't seen another body indicated with rings. Is the U-Day bar supposed to be on a moon of Beylix?
Beylix, I believe, is a moon. Not a planet. Wikipedia says:
"Beylix is a small border moon, used for smuggling rendezvous. Mal's war buddy Monty was caught by the Alliance here. Mal refers to it in the episode "Trash". In the role-playing game, Beylix appears to have a permanent cloud cover and dense ice rings."
Interesting. In the small grab I made, we can indeed see Serenity passes a small moon with rings around it. You're very observant. :) And if you look outside the window in the bottom picture, we see... nothing! Like an icy cloud. I checked the atmo of the moon too, when they took the fight outside, and it seems as icy and impenetrable as what we see outside the cockpit windows. 'Cept, from space, the atmo on that moon hardly looks like it could sustain life, and Serenity don't appear to take off from it, but rather seems to pass it. But it's not impossible that it is indeed Beylix.
The first shot in space we see is that of a planet, though. I'm guessing that's Athens, then. Obviously, they did NOT disembark from that planet, as the bar fight takes place on a little moon (that Wash threatens to blow a small crater in). Or it's an entirely different system they're in altogether.
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I did not intend to imply that Regina was non-existant - it is one of the Unified (Worlds) as listed on page 12 of the Serenity Visual Companion. I was only asking where can we connect Regina to Paradiso and Hancock? Wikipedia is reknowned for inaccuracies, and does not list it's sources for conclusions or statements.
I do not dispute Paradiso and Hancock cannot be on Regina, I just have not seen a connection specified. Have you seen a specific connection?
I am not certain that Athens is the only system with 4 moons (although the script specifies moons, I could rationalize that one of these could be the planet of their system).
Thanks for your input. Have you any other planetary references besides wiki?
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God, I missed all you Browncoats! I live for this stuff.
First, my first instinct is to concur with the viewpoint noted above that Boros was intended primarily as a vacation spot. However! I then remembered that by Wash and Zoe's conversation, the notion of anybody having "a few days leave" was not yet agreed upon. I assume, then, that they must have had some other purpose in going there after selling to Badger. We can only speculate what that reason might have been, but we do know that the idea of keeping the ship in repair was a point of serious stress in the Pilot (as at all other times, of course, but particularly mentioned in the Pilot). Does anybody have any reliable stats on Boros? Anything that might lead us to the educated guess that it would be a good (i.e. economical; read: cheap) place to get parts and possibly assistant labor for repairs?
Also, a side note on the statement made by JSF about orbits being basically "in sync." I've had that thought about the 'Verse myself, wondering if navigation was reliable because they were lucky enough that the planets all kept the same relative orientation as they orbited their star. Given the example of real-world systems we can study, that's pretty unlikely, of course. It might, though, point to one of the major reasons why the central planets are more heavily civilized and more generally desirable than the rim worlds. Let's say, for example, that we have a planet in orbit every 1 AU out from the star. (Just to make the math easy; NASA geeks buzz off!) Your two innermost planets would be 1 AU apart when they pass one another, and only 3 AU apart when they are at their furthest point. The two planets 15 and 16 AU from the star, though, might be only 1 AU away at some times, but at others could be up to 31 AU apart, and range everywhere in between. (And yes, I realize that real orbits are eliptical, not circular; why are you NASA geeks still reading?) This makes navigation between these two planets highly variable, and moving goods between them a serious crap-shoot, which is never good for business. A good friend or business associate could be barely more than a shuttle ride away when you meet, but five years down the line could cost more than you own in fuel to get there, all variance, of course, dependent on relative orbital speed. Not hard to see why the Border planets are thought of as a rough frontier. You could have a time when your whole planet is "corner of 'no' and 'where,'" which would never be true of the core planets with their condescendingly small orbital diameters.
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Some of that time-distance problem is mollified when a munber of bodies have terraformed moons, so from between moon travel is consistent.
One goofy thing, Badger had the line about what happens on the rim doesn't matter to those in the center, or the hub - implying he (Persephone) is near the "hub". However, Joss has clearly stated the Persephone is one of the outer planets, so that sorta confused me a bit.
In BDM, River states on Miranda that the nearest orbital distance was just a short time ago, so the travel time at maximum burn from Miranda to Mr. Universe was (something like 4 hours). So that does involve the orbital equation.
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I would appear this is due for an updated query for the sake of clarity.
Please select one of the following options, which you feel is most likely, or why 2 or more are likely.
1. Serenity did not go to Boros after the end of the Pilot. Originally scheduled to get there within a week, they did not get there within 2 weeks, not before Shindig.
2. Serenity did get to Boros on schedule (day or 2 late), before The Train Job. River was put to sleep for this week, and Book was still not situated well after this week, and did not get off at Boros. Serenity and the Tams successfully evaded the Alliance at Boros.
3. Serenity did get to Boros, just not on schedule. They went after The Train Job, got to Boros within a week of when they planned. Serenity and the Tams evaded the Alliance at Boros.
4. None of the above. Please explain.
Thanks for all your input.
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I would appear this is due for an updated query for the sake of clarity.
Please select one of the following options, which you feel is most likely, or why 2 or more are likely.
1. Serenity did not go to Boros after the end of the Pilot. Originally scheduled to get there within a week, they did not get there within 2 weeks, not before Shindig.
2. Serenity did get to Boros on schedule (day or 2 late), before The Train Job. River was put to sleep for this week, and Book was still not situated well after this week, and did not get off at Boros. Serenity and the Tams successfully evaded the Alliance at Boros.
3. Serenity did get to Boros, just not on schedule. They went after The Train Job, got to Boros within a week of when they planned. Serenity and the Tams evaded the Alliance at Boros.
4. None of the above. Please explain.
Thanks for all your input.
River was put to sleep?? :) Gee, that's a mite unsettlin'! LOL
Ok, I go for door Nr. 1: they didn't go to Boros as planned. For one, we never hear them about this great shore leave they were supposed to have there (maybe, as you say, cuz the percentage of the stolen goods weren't as large as they figured). And for two, more importantly, I reckon, because their passengers never disembarked at Boros as intended: and with their situation so drastically altered, it seems hard to imagine they went to Boros regardless.
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Given that Wash's line after they evade the Reavers at the end of the Pilot that references "hitting a refueling station" and not "going to Boros for repairs" does a fair job of smashing my theory that Boros was intended as a repair stop, I will vote for #1. I must add the caveat, however, that #3 is equally plausible as just one more thing our BDHs did that we didn't get to see because it was ultimately irrelevant to the plot. (For example, the comments at the beginning of Shindig seem to indicate that they had spent time on Persephone other than the one time we saw them stop their previously, and since those comments were not made in the Pilot we can guess that said time was spent during that covered by the series, but we never saw those events.)
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