No matter what Joss says, The Matrix is a stupid movie.
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Sunday, December 30, 2007 01:08
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Dark City wasn’t a bad film either, but it was too melodramatic and the plot was too weak to be superior to the Matrix. It was somewhere between the Matrix and it’s sequels, somewhere perhaps a lot closer to the Matrix then the sequels. Like the Matrix it did a wonderful job of providing a twisted view of reality with a lot of stunning visuals.
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Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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Yeah I didn't get that either, though I think it's an ok film. If they've got Fusion harnessing body heat is a waste of time, concievably you could produce energy from body heat, but considering you'll have to feed the body, and keep the simulation running, I doubt it would be break even.
Its a shame really, they could have easily said they needed Human brains as plugin modules for the main computer core or something, and in order to prevent the computer 'components' going nuts and damaging the system the machines need to provide a living enviroment for them.
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I can't believe I'm saying this but...I pretty much agree completely with Finn on both The Matrix (yes it's not perfectly realistic but no sci-fi movie is and honestly none should be) and Dark City (good but not as good as TM).
I feel dirty now. 
I don't really think the sequels were as bad as most people think, but definitely no where near the original Matrix.
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Quote:Depends on the inertia less drive. If you really mean massless, i.e. rendering the effective mass of the craft zero, you're only going to get lightspeed out of it, and you'll have to use a conventional drive to accelerate up to that speed. That means even for subjective time the trip won't be instantaneous, because of the time it takes to accelerate. In the end Inertia less and massless drives don't automatically give you FTL.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
This results in problem for Firefly, because if mass-free propulsion exists, there should be no problem at all with light-speed and even FTL travel, which means zero-time between travel points but massive time-dilation.
It's a big question in Sci-Fi, the idea of unintended consequences. For instance an inertia less drive breaks physics in such a way as to also allow perpetual motion machines, FTL automatically creates time travel and breaks causality.
Quote:Firefly didn't make a lot of sense with much of it's space travel I think. It's strength was that, unlike Star Trek, it didn't try to explain the science. Of TV shows Babylon 5 had good Space drive physics. Sure it had gravity drives and FTL, but Earth ships, being less advanced, obeyed Newton better than any show I've seen before or since. Space Above and Beyond didn't do too bad a job, despite falling into the airplane-space-fighter trap. In reference to the last line SAaB had one line in it from the President of Earth talking about something that "will happen two weeks from now" due to the peculiarities of space travel.
Firefly did a good job, but it still had problems.
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To treat Serenity’s travel time appropriately relativistic would have introduced confusing plot events (Sure the crew just arrived on Persephone after zero-travel time, but it’s the next day.)
Quote:I think theres a difference to draw between 'Hard' Sci-Fi and 'Soft' Sci-Fi. To be honest It might not be possible to do real hard sci-fi for the screen, whether it be big or small. There's been shows that have been close, like 2001, but they all drop something major for the format (in 2001 one of the major things is the lack of heat radiators on any of the space craft, amongst a few other things). There is of course ways of creating a gravitational field in a scientific way though, through spinning the ship, or accelerating at a constant g factor; thrusting constantly at 9.81m/s will obviously generate Earth normal gravity on board with 'down' pointing toward the tail of the craft. Though you are looking toward the fringe of the theoretically possible there, Inertial Confinement Fusion and Anti-matter beam core drives for instance.
I tend to be pretty critical of sci-fi in this way, and I ream many sci-fi films, including Serenity, for the use of sound in space, which I think its time for the sci-fi fans to mature as an audience and realize that there is not sound in space. Furthermore, it’s also a simple low-budget feature that can add realism to sci-fi. And even as I gleefully applaud Firefly for its willingness to go this level of realism, I recognize that some other levels (such as gravity issues) are probably too expensive, right now, to deal with.
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Matrix did have it's draw.
The blue pill/red pill and everything-you-know-is-a-lie concepts were pretty well done, but what do you expect from hollywood other than special effects over story ?
The acting was horribly wooden, and I hated the chick who played Trinity as well, if it weren't for the supporting cast, it'd be unwatchable.. Morpheous and Hugo Weaving truly carried it, but cred some of the support cast too, at least in the first one.
Oh, and Hugo's Humanity-is-a-virus speech left me on the floor laughing my arse off.
The sequels, I will give, were horrific, only really two things stood out to me in any of it.
One was HOBO, the idea and concept were very well executed, and of course, in his own small world of that one unconnected station, he's more or less it's god - if you can suspend belief enough to go with the story of how things work in the matrix universe, you'd HAVE to have him, as a release valve, you see ?
It made such perfect sense that I was expecting something of the sort.
The other thing that jumped out at me was one single line of dialogue, which was sadly never expounded or explored.
"Not everyone believes what you believe, Morpheous!"
That's one of the few times in a movie "world" I have ever seen folks otherwise allied in a cause actually address their internal beliefs being different than each other, and I wish they woulda went somewhere with that.
Overall I wasn't too impressed, no.
-Frem
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I though the Matrix was okay. Not great, but not horrible, either.
You're right about the whole humans as fuel thing, it's a waste and it doesn't work. And how would some people be ready to be unplugged, but not others? And why not just unplug everyone and deprive the machines of their food? That part just doesn't make sense to me.
The sequels were absolutely awful- especially the second one, when it drops you way into the future, and everyone's talking about stuff that you have no idea what's going on. I always hated that. And the whole buisness about what the Engineer type guy said, about having an "unpredictable element" as the One, but then turning around and saying the everything's schedualed, so how is that unpredictable? And the Oracle being a program- why would she help the resistance if she's a program? They basically destroy the whole universe for plot.
I just watch the first whenever I get bored, and ignore the sequals.
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Everything up until he became The One was great and i loved it until that happened
once he started stopping bullets, flying and using the powers outside the matrix just ruined it for me
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Yeah, another unintentionally hilarious bit in the first movie was after Agent's Smith's second little monologue to Morpheus and he pressing his hands against his head, I kept thinking of Mark McKinney in KIDS IN THE HALL going "I'm crushing your head, I'm crushing your head. Take that. And that."
And you're right with the actors being incredibly wooden. One of the reasons I never got into THE MATRIX was the lack of emotion from the characters. It's hard to cheer for the humans to win when they're just as robotic and emotionless as the machines they're defending. And not to start a STAR WARS flame war, but at least there was SOME emotion from teh actors in the prequels. And of course, FIREFLY pretty much wore it's heart on it's sleeve.
When it comes to acting, I'd rather see the sin of over-emoting than none at all. That's not to say that there can be a great character that says very little, if at all. Just look at Javier Bardem in NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN. Anton Chigur is without a doubt the best villain of the decade. This is a man with no soul at all. And it's the fact that he's so cool and quiet and blank except for the flare in his eyes whenever he kills someone that makes him so fucking scary. The Operative is a chatterbox in comparison to him. But in general, I like the somewhat show performaces that shows that the actor is really having a ball with his or her role. Like Tom Wilkinson in MICHAEL CLAYTON. Just that opening voice over monologue gets you onto the edge of your seat in the first thirty seconds of the film and just seeing him both mad and spiritually awake is truly riveting stuff. And Katherine Heigl, whom I had never seen in GREY'S ANATOMY, really surprised me in KNOCKED up in that she could keep up with Seth Rogen and the rest of Apatow and Co. She has that wonderfully expressive face that really helps with each scene she's in.
Sorry if that was a tangent, but since it ties into one of the problems with THE MATRIX movies, I figured that this little side into favorite performances was appropriate.
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Quote:LOL, RR, you is my kind o' twisted, LOL!
Originally posted by reginaroadie:
when Morpheus goes up in front of the rave and yells "ZION...HEAR ME!!!" Say right after that "CAN YOU DIG IT!!!" That moment always reminds me of the beginning of THE WARRIORS when Cyrus rallies the crowd of street gangs with that whole "CAN YOU DIG IT? CAN...YOU..DIG...IT!!!"
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I like the way you move too.
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Loudon Wainwright III - "Strange Weirdos" off the "Knocked Up" soundtrack
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