400 Scientists Say Gore & Warming Cabal Are Full Of Go Se

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, December 22, 2007 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
It is stunningly similar to the pre-historic man and his belief that thunder was the work of an angry God. So many liberals seem willing to toss aside reason in favor of prostration before the angry earth mother. And they'll go after anyone who refuses to embrace their zealotry.

That’s is exactly how it seems. I generally accept the idea that industry could be influencing climate, although I’m not sure the evidence is really strong enough to bear that out yet, or that it ever will be, but it makes sense. However, it does seem like there is a crowd of people who usually adhere to the doomsday theory and generally tend to be Left of center who take the idea of global warming as dogma in some new quasi-neo-pagan earth worship.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CITIZEN

Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s is exactly how it seems. I generally accept the idea that industry could be influencing climate, although I’m not sure the evidence is really strong enough to bear that out yet, or that it ever will be, but it makes sense. However, it does seem like there is a crowd of people who usually adhere to the doomsday theory and generally tend to be Left of center who take the idea of global warming as dogma in some new quasi-neo-pagan earth worship.

It hardly seems fair to be casting people left of centre as unthinking irrational extremist zealots.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by magdalena:
I remember hearing about glabal warming in my teens... only a few folk believed it was going to happen - most of the community were poo pooing the idea...

Then in my 20s things started to happen where I live - this huge hole in the ozone layer was a fact and it was right over where I live... skin cancer rates soared... I never ever used to burn in summer - I was well into my 20s the first time I got sunburn!! I spent my teens sitting on the beach all day for days on end wearing only Reef Oil!! (Oil!!! Not sun screen!!!) and all I got was browner and browner! Now I wear factor 30 and a hat and keep out of the sun as much as possible - as do most younger folk - and we burn in about 20mins... that's not go se! That's a fact!

Perhaps. But unless you live at the North Pole where that huge hole in the ozone is, it’s very probable that the huge hole in the ozone isn’t that much of a factor. One might argue that the ozone concentrates have been decreasing globally, but not enough to result in the kind of dramatic affect your talking about and just because upper level ozone concentrations decrease doesn’t necessarily mean more UV will reach the earth’s surface since any decrease in upper level ozone concentrates will result in an increase in lower level ozone concentrations. So the affect that you’re talking about probably has a lot more to do with the age, lifestyle or simply being more aware of the affect the sun has on your skin.

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Originally posted by magdalena:
Sorry - but there it is... now I am going to brave some flash flooding to get to the shops - don't know what is scarier - the flooding or the people at the shops today!!

Good luck with that, but I guess it’s safe to say the drought is over.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
It hardly seems fair to be casting people left of centre as unthinking irrational extremist zealots.

Why? Because no one left of center could possible be “unthinking irrational extremist zealots”? There are just as many of those types on the Left as there are on the Right.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CITIZEN

Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Why? Because no one left of center could possible be “unthinking irrational extremist zealots”? There are just as many of those types on the Left as there are on the Right.

I didn't say they weren't, but left of centre invokes more mainstream, those people tend to be far left.

I wouldn't say "It seems that there is a crowd of people who adhere to the doomsday rapture and want to bring it about by nuking Iran, and generally tend to the right of centre" because it invokes a more mainstream image. Those people certainly exist, but they're on the extreme fringe of the right. Your use of language was betraying a meaning you didn't in fact mean, or you were expressing something that was wrong. What I'm saying is that saying their 'left of centre' is misleading if they are in fact extreme left.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Why? Because no one left of center could possible be “unthinking irrational extremist zealots”? There are just as many of those types on the Left as there are on the Right.
I didn't say they weren't, but left of centre invokes more mainstream, those people tend to be far left.

Yeah, well I didn’t refer to anyone as “unthinking irrational extremist zealots” That’s a characterization you came up with.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CITIZEN

Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yeah, well I didn’t refer to anyone as “unthinking irrational extremist zealots” That’s a characterization you came up with.

If you say so, but insinuating that some people see global warming as an occult religion, and won't listen to reason (and those people reside on the left, when theres as many if not more "anti-global warming because the GOP say so" over on the right) pretty much implies it.

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No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yeah, well I didn’t refer to anyone as “unthinking irrational extremist zealots” That’s a characterization you came up with.
If you say so, but insinuating that some people see global warming as an occult religion, and won't listen to reason (and those people reside on the left, when theres as many if not more "anti-global warming because the GOP say so" over on the right) pretty much implies it.

Tell you what, you let me know when you’re ready to discuss what I’m saying instead of some ridiculous phrase you want to assign to me, then we’ll see where we are.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CITIZEN

Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Tell you what, you let me know when you’re ready to discuss what I’m saying instead of some ridiculous phrase you want to assign to me, then we’ll see where we are.

No need to be irrational about it. If what you said wasn't supposed to imply they're religiously fanatical about global warming, in future you should better explain what you mean; because that's exactly how it reads. I was merely pointing out what your sentence said to me, and that it was wrong.

I'm trying to be reasonable Finn, I'm not saying that's definatly what you meant, I'm saying that's how it read. You want to throw a fit at me because your didn't explain yourself properly, go right ahead.

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:18 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Tell you what, you let me know when you’re ready to discuss what I’m saying instead of some ridiculous phrase you want to assign to me, then we’ll see where we are.
No need to be irrational about it. If what you said wasn't supposed to imply they're religiously fanatical about global warming, in future you should better explain what you mean; because that's exactly how it reads. I was merely pointing out what your sentence said to me, and that it was wrong.

I'm trying to be reasonable Finn, I'm not saying that's definatly what you meant, I'm saying that's how it read. You want to throw a fit at me because your didn't explain yourself properly, go right ahead.

And now you’re upset because I won’t let you put words in my mouth. But let’s just cut to the chase. You don’t like that I criticized the views of a certain group of people with a Left-leaning position. I don’t really care. Let’s move on.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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