michael moore showing the truth
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'd just let you know that I'm one of the original Bush haters. I hated him before it was cool. I have said that he will singlehandedly bring down America and usher in the New World Order. I've been quoted as saying that he is not a Christian at all and he is keeping the seat warm for the Anti-Christ.
If there's anything I hate more than a Democrat, it's a Neo-Con Rethug.
Hope your feelings didn't get hurt by anything anyone said in here.
Greetings 6ix,
How's life on planet Psychotropic? Just kidding!... By the way, I think when they burn Bush & Cheney at the stake ( preferably together ) before the B. Heussien Obama Inauguration, the newly-sworn Committee of Public Safety will have an awards ceremony honoring those Top Ten who have hated the dastardly duo the longest and the deepest. I'll be pulling for you. Good Luck and a Merry White Christmas.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Greetings 6ix,
How's life on planet Psychotropic? Just kidding!... By the way, I think when they burn Bush & Cheney at the stake ( preferably together ) before the B. Heussien Obama Inauguration, the newly-sworn Committe of Public Safety will have an awards ceremony honoring those Top Ten who have hated the dastardly duo the longest and the deepest. I'll be pulling for you. Good Luck and a Merry White Christmas.
LOL... why's it always gotta be black and white with everybody. We're never going to heal as a nation if we keep looking at every possible question as having only two possible answers.
Merry Christmas to you too Jongs.
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Your pleasant and humorous understanding is a true kindness and much appreciated. Sometimes I can't even remember what I used to do before Firefly & the Bush Era war of words, deeds, and ideas.
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Quote:I don't know what they're doing wrong, but I earn what could at least be called a modest income (it let me buy a house off my own wage in a time when most first time buyers are couples), I have more out goings from my pay packet than taxes (pension, student loan etc) and my total deductions this month were about 28%.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Well, a while back I was speaking to my friend in England, and was horrified to learn that 70% of his modest income was paid towards the various taxes of the land.
As for related taxes, the British government supplies a lot more government services than the US, that's why taxes are higher. I can tell you exactly what my healthcare contributions are, because they're shown separately as national insurance payments. My national insurance payments came to about ~8% of this months pay, and compares favourably with private healthcare costs. I actually would have paid a lot less, but this months pay was elevated a bit because I submitted two months overtime this month as I forgot last month.
Basically, if your friend is paying 70% in taxes, firstly most of those don't go on healthcare, and second they probably did their math wrong. My deductions didn't even break 30%, and even VAT isn't going to bump that up to 70%.
The only way to tell how much is being spent on healthcare is GDP spending. The UK is about 6%, and the US is about 14%, so UK taxes may be high, but we spend less on healthcare than the US, and have wider coverage.
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Hello Citizen,
With your taxes not exceeding 28 percent of your income, that's a very different story than the one painted for me.
But what's this VAT? Maybe it has bearing.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:The 28% are total deductions, not just taxes, a big bite of that 28% are non-tax deductions (deducted by work and student loans company), though I haven't discussed council tax which is paid separately and is based on the value of your home. My council tax runs at around £124, with a living alone allowance, it's down from £160. Both those figures are below my non-tax deductions, which run at about £240 depending on how much I earn. What I'm saying is that 28% isn't a perfect figure, but more or less gives an upper limit for the standard deductibles including council tax based on my pay. I'm in the 25% salary tax bracket, the upper limit for people being paid over £37,295 is 40%, but this is charged only on earnings over £37,295, earnings under that are still taxed at 25%, and earnings under £4,000 aren't taxed at all.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Citizen,
With your taxes not exceeding 28 percent of your income, that's a very different story than the one painted for me.
But what's this VAT? Maybe it has bearing.
There is of course taxes for various things, import/exports, stamp duty when buying a home over £125,000, but the only other everyday cost I can think of would be VAT (Value Added Tax) which is 17.5% of any goods you buy. I'm not sure if you have something like that in the States, but essentially it's cost of goods + 17.5% = what you pay in the shops, with the 17.5% going to the government. There's higher duties on Alcohol, Tobacco and Petrol, but still I'm not sure how any of these could push the final figure all the way to 70%.
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Hello,
We have a sales tax in certain states that ranges from zero to about 10 percent.
Seventeen percent is pretty steep. Looks like even getting taxed at the maximum rate would be 40% from income, 17% from purchases, giving a worst case scenario of 57%. Not as bad as I was led to believe.
Hyperbole may play a part, here. Perhaps it's like when I complain I haven't got anything left after taxes. ;-)
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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On the other hand...
Seventeen and Seventy sound a lot alike. He might have been complaining about the VAT?
With your weird foreign accents, it's hard to tell. Why can't you people learn to speak English? ;-)
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Quote:Belied by my simplistic explanation, VAT is not exactly a sales tax. Apparently Michigan is the only state in the US that has a Value Added Tax.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
We have a sales tax in certain states that ranges from zero to about 10 percent.
Quote:Not exactly, the 40% is only on earnings over £37,000. That is if you earn £50,000, £4,000 will be tax free, £33,000 will be taxed at 25% and the remaining £13,000 will be taxed at 40%. That will give you an effective tax rate on the whole £50,000 of about 27%.
Seventeen percent is pretty steep. Looks like even getting taxed at the maximum rate would be 40% from income, 17% from purchases, giving a worst case scenario of 57%. Not as bad as I was led to believe.
Further, the 17% is only on things bought and paid for, but not all products/services are charged at that rate. Some things, like food do have a VAT levelled on them, but it's at a rate of 0% (don't ask me, I only live here), and others are at 5%. Its basically impossible to get a full effective increase of 17% of paid tax from VAT, because you'd have to spend all of your money on goods or services charging VAT at 17.5%. Since some of that money has already been taken as other taxes by the government, that's truly impossible. It's possible that I'm missing some tax here or there, but I really can't think of anything.
Quote:You peoples should speaks the proper German Queens English like what I does.
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
With your weird foreign accents, it's hard to tell. Why can't you people learn to speak English? ;-)
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Your pleasant and humorous understanding is a true kindness and much appreciated. Sometimes I can't even remember what I used to do before Firefly & the Bush Era war of words, deeds, and ideas.
No problem Jongs.
Sometimes it's important that we take a step back and realize that even though we might not all agree on who the real enemy is, it certainly isn't each other. Merry Christmas to ya.
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